Black Caps v Pakistan
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
One of the problems that developped in the test team is that I don't think either Kane or McCullum had enough faith in any of the spinners to bowl them enough TBH. In McCullum's case, I don't believe he rated any spinner anyway so whoever got selected was on a hiding to nothing. This was exacerabted by the selection of the likes of santner and craig who arre basically seen - as vettori-lites. And let's be honest here, when was the last time Vettori ran through a test side - if my memory serves me well, it was before his batting became essential to make up for an extremely deficient top order
Disagree with this for Mccullum, agree for Kane.
Baz captaincy of spinners, Craig successfully, Sodhi unsuccessfully, was very positive.
Kane, not so much, unless he trusts them not to leak runs. His treatment of T Astle reminded Fleming 's captaincy of Wiseman.
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The one who just got Watling.
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@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
The side on view makes it look pretty distinctive that there is bit of a throw in there.
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@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
The side on view makes it look pretty distinctive that there is bit of a throw in there.
Srt of like playing senior grade cricket in CD in the 80s - a lot of genuine chuckers going around there - particularly in Wanganui - Eric Head(case), Wingnut Carroll and you could choose nay of the Gill family - all huge chuckers and not averse to bowling beamers - this was in the early days before helmets were ubiquitous and in some cases permitted (some schools wouldn't allow helmets to be worn as they were non-traditional)
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@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
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431 all out.
That's ok
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@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@gt12 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
The one who just got Watling.
Yup Afridi - I do not like his arm action when it comes to the short or effort ball - it looks distinctly suss
The side on view makes it look pretty distinctive that there is bit of a throw in there.
One of the things that came out of the scrutiny of Murali was that basically every fast bowler ever was a thrower when measured against the standard of 10 degrees straightening, so it got increased to 15.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
Edit. LOL. I have internet RAAAGE. I didn't even read you have Mitchell select instead.
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
Edit. LOL. I have internet RAAAGE. I didn't even read you have Mitchell select instead.
If Patel was fit, I'd sel;ect him ahead of either of them even on a green seamer - he offers way more variation, can exploit a wider variety of pitch conditions and actually looks like taking wickets rather than holding down an end until the new ball is ready. Plus there's about as much actual spin from santner as a delivery from Coney or Larsen in Australia at Perth
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
Edit. LOL. I have internet RAAAGE. I didn't even read you have Mitchell select instead.
If Patel was fit, I'd sel;ect him ahead of either of them even on a green seamer - he offers way more variation, can exploit a wider variety of pitch conditions and actually looks like taking wickets rather than holding down an end until the new ball is ready. Plus there's about as much actual spin from santner as a delivery from Coney or Larsen in Australia at Perth
So. You're compromise is Jamieson at 7.
Despite looking good at test level, and no doubt has promise with bat, has been around FC season for about 6 years, averages 20, no hundred at FC level, HS of only 67 at FC level.My compromise would be Santner in NZ, Patel away where it spins, and drop one of 4 seamers. Protect Jamieson from batting pressure and expectations. Tough luck for Ajaz and CdG who are good enough to make NZ teams usually.
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
Edit. LOL. I have internet RAAAGE. I didn't even read you have Mitchell select instead.
If Patel was fit, I'd sel;ect him ahead of either of them even on a green seamer - he offers way more variation, can exploit a wider variety of pitch conditions and actually looks like taking wickets rather than holding down an end until the new ball is ready. Plus there's about as much actual spin from santner as a delivery from Coney or Larsen in Australia at Perth
Bloody hell, I thought I was harsh on Santner.....
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@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
Edit. LOL. I have internet RAAAGE. I didn't even read you have Mitchell select instead.
If Patel was fit, I'd sel;ect him ahead of either of them even on a green seamer - he offers way more variation, can exploit a wider variety of pitch conditions and actually looks like taking wickets rather than holding down an end until the new ball is ready. Plus there's about as much actual spin from santner as a delivery from Coney or Larsen in Australia at Perth
So. You're compromise is Jamieson at 7.
Despite looking good at test level, and no doubt has promise with bat, has been around FC season for about 6 years, averages 20, no hundred at FC level, HS of only 67 at FC level.My compromise would be Santner in NZ, Patel away where it spins, and drop one of 4 seamers. Protect Jamieson from batting pressure and expectations. Tough luck for Ajaz and CdG who are good enough to make NZ teams usually.
santner only has 4 innings of 45 or more from 29 innings. So I'm not convinced he adds anything more than Jamieson and number 7 is not anywhere near asking someone to bat at 6 for example.
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@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@SynicBast said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@mikey07 said in Black Caps v Pakistan:
@Rapido That’s why I like Ajaz Patel he’s more of ab attacking spinner
Well, Ajaz was in squad originally before being ruled out, but still hasn't played a match all year yet. Stead and Kane also prefer Ajaz.
Logic says he plays if fit, then NZ either has a long tail or drop one of the 4 seamers.
Compromises and decisions have to be made. Consequences luved with
Unlike internet posters who live in worlds where we can pick unbalanced teams in which we're always guaranteed to win the toss on a green one.
We lost the toss on this one, green lasted only a day, spinning already. I applaud the Santner over Mitchell selection. Its logical.
I remain curious what they do when/if both Patel / CdG are available. That's when it gets tough, now it is simple.
Except that Santnav doesn't justify his position as a bowler at test level even on a turner - he doesn't get enough wickets - mitchell is more likely to exploit variable bounce and the pace of the icket which was suspected to be a little two paced actually suits mitchell more so than a slow mystery spinner
Cool, so who are you picking? You've dropped Santner, who plays this test?
Edit. LOL. I have internet RAAAGE. I didn't even read you have Mitchell select instead.
If Patel was fit, I'd sel;ect him ahead of either of them even on a green seamer - he offers way more variation, can exploit a wider variety of pitch conditions and actually looks like taking wickets rather than holding down an end until the new ball is ready. Plus there's about as much actual spin from santner as a delivery from Coney or Larsen in Australia at Perth
So. You're compromise is Jamieson at 7.
Despite looking good at test level, and no doubt has promise with bat, has been around FC season for about 6 years, averages 20, no hundred at FC level, HS of only 67 at FC level.My compromise would be Santner in NZ, Patel away where it spins, and drop one of 4 seamers. Protect Jamieson from batting pressure and expectations. Tough luck for Ajaz and CdG who are good enough to make NZ teams usually.
santner only has 4 innings of 45 or more from 29 innings. So I'm not convinced he adds anything more than Jamieson and number 7 is not anywhere near asking someone to bat at 6 for example.
I agree with you picking on Santner and the myth he is a test class batsman but loads of guys over the years have gone between 6/7/8 in any given batting line up as it's either specialist batsman/Keeper batsman or all rounder depending on the team make up.
