What’s out there at Second Five?
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@ACT-Crusader said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@ACT-Crusader he's only listed as 99kg too...
Ardie plays bigger than his weight (don’t trust the internet) suggests.
If we want size, then Fainga'anuku might be the guy, 6’2 and 110kg
Fainga’nuku will end up at centre the crusaders may use him to cover centre at times while Ennor is injured so I hear around the traps.That way they can take some work load away from Havalli and Goodhue having to front up every week in the MF
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@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Rieko is listed at 103kg.
I wonder if he is the man. OK, we wouldn't be making the most of his speed on the outside channels but Rieko could certainly bend the defensive line. And if he developed a SBW-like offload.
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@Bovidae said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Rieko is listed at 103kg.
I wonder if he is the man. OK, we wouldn't be making the most of his speed on the outside channels but Rieko could certainly bend the defensive line. And if he developed a SBW-like offload.
Did you see him at 12 when Tana played him there? Such a waste.
Developing as a 13, but not a candidate at 12 for me.
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What’s George Moala up to ?
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@ACT-Crusader I was thinking about him as a 12 today funnily enough. Sounds silly right now but with the options the Crusaders have out wide, he may eventually get pushed in.
I guess we could give Rieko a go at 12 after the success he had there with the Blues a couple of seasons ago.
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@Bovidae said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Rieko is listed at 103kg.
I wonder if he is the man. OK, we wouldn't be making the most of his speed on the outside channels but Rieko could certainly bend the defensive line. And if he developed a SBW-like offload.
Haha didn't see this while posting. Rieko was a car crash is slow motion at 12 for the Blues. One of the worst selections I've ever seen from a Blues coach and he kept him there all season.
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Ardie 12, Rieko 13 could be a goer.
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Jordie for christ sake.
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Faiane shouldn't be as far away as he currently is, given that he is a specialist 2nd V. If they don't want to trust Laumape there, then Faiane would be a player to put in the environment and see whether he can go to the next level.
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@Stargazer said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@MN5 Still playing for Clermont.
Bugger, he had some brute force that coulda been handy
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Peter Umaga Jensen should be the 2nd five.
102 kg.
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@Frank said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
Peter Umaga Jensen should be the 2nd five.
102 kg.
Based on a few handy games at 13 this year?
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@Crazy-Horse
He's got it mate - trust me (says anonymous guy on the Fern) -
PUJ looked a lot more comfortable at 13 than 12 this year.
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Goodhue’s first season at 2nd 5, I think he will grow into the role longer term because the defensive game is solid. Us fans might have to be a little patient as he develops the attacking game from closer in.
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@Frank Has @Canes4life hacked your account?
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good highlights reel-apart from the music!
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@MN5 said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
What’s George Moala up to ?
Often rated best 12 in NH club rugby.
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@sparky said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@MN5 said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
What’s George Moala up to ?
Going well for Clermont.
Pretty impressive.
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Chances of him returning to NZ rugby are slim to none surely.
I know this sounds crass but silver lining of the global situation is most Euro clubs will tighten their purse strings for a few years.
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@mofitzy_ said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
I know this sounds crass but silver lining of the global situation is most Euro clubs will tighten their purse strings for a few years.
I don't think it is crass at all. It's realistic.
Reduced salaries and less attractive living overseas will shift the point where supply meets demand. Result - more experience staying in NZ, better Super and M10, and should result in better AB depth.
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Crass as in it sounds insensitive considering everything.
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@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
not sold on Laumape, doesnt seem to have the defensive nous required.
Laumape is listed as 97kg
ALB 96kg
JG 100kg
Faiane 92kg
Jordie 95kgJordie bulked up last off season - he's noticeably bigger. I read somewhere that he's 102kgs now.
I wonder what Razor will do with David Havili next season. He's not a big second-five - and that seems to be part of the rationale for swapping Jack and ALB around - but, he's one of the better ones there. Second five rather than inside centre.
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@Chris-B said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@taniwharugby said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
not sold on Laumape, doesnt seem to have the defensive nous required.
Laumape is listed as 97kg
ALB 96kg
JG 100kg
Faiane 92kg
Jordie 95kg**Jordie bulked up last off season - he's noticeably bigger. I read somewhere that he's 102kgs now.
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I wonder what Razor will do with David Havili next season. He's not a big second-five - and that seems to be part of the rationale for swapping Jack and ALB around - but, he's one of the better ones there. Second five rather than inside centre.Any Rugby player that tall needs to be 100kg at an absolute minimum.
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i love that people think they need to "see what Laumape can bring"
dude, you know exactly what Laumape can do. He plays one way, and one way only. And that is to run as hard as he can in to the nearest defender.
Which, while i am not exactly a fan of that, will at least provide a point of difference over the "samey samey" types we have at the moment.
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@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
i love that people think they need to "see what Laumape can bring"
dude, you know exactly what Laumape can do. He plays one way, and one way only. And that is to run as hard as he can in to the nearest defender.
Which, while i am not exactly a fan of that, will at least provide a point of difference over the "samey samey" types we have at the moment.
... and it is remarkably successful. Good coaching would help him develop other parts of his game.
I'm going to go on my grumpy old man rant now, but FFS if you are a professional back in Union, you should be doing half an hour of kicking practice off either foot multiple times a week. You'll suck to start with, but within a few years you will have a touch on the ball if you ever need to do it.
Too much gym time, not enough skill time.
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@nzzp said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
i love that people think they need to "see what Laumape can bring"
dude, you know exactly what Laumape can do. He plays one way, and one way only. And that is to run as hard as he can in to the nearest defender.
Which, while i am not exactly a fan of that, will at least provide a point of difference over the "samey samey" types we have at the moment.
... and it is remarkably successful. Good coaching would help him develop other parts of his game.
I'm going to go on my grumpy old man rant now, but FFS if you are a professional back in Union, you should be doing half an hour of kicking practice off either foot multiple times a week. You'll suck to start with, but within a few years you will have a touch on the ball if you ever need to do it.
Too much gym time, not enough skill time.
I'm going to disagree here.
Being able to physically kick and pass when by yourself on the training paddock is waaay different to being able to execute that skill under pressure on a test pitch. And that's assuming that the player develops the mental game to know when to do it, and to where.
Nonu's transformation from bash merchant with suspect hands to a triple threat 2nd 5 tricks so many of us in to thinking it's possible. I think, in the vast majority of occassions, what you arrive with is what you leave with, you just tweak it here and there. And experience helps you be in the right spot.
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@nzzp Laumape is doing that, he mentions it often. But it takes time and if you are getting the most success with your running game, then you don;t practise it in the heat of battle often. Not sure that he did many, but he put a few through in SRA, mostly good if not excellent. But the fact he can run through the weak shoulder, and around even fast players (ahem the slow blues version of Beuady) means the kick doesn’t come out often. Fat Bishop does enough for both of them
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@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@nzzp said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
@mariner4life said in What’s out there at Second Five?:
i love that people think they need to "see what Laumape can bring"
dude, you know exactly what Laumape can do. He plays one way, and one way only. And that is to run as hard as he can in to the nearest defender.
Which, while i am not exactly a fan of that, will at least provide a point of difference over the "samey samey" types we have at the moment.
... and it is remarkably successful. Good coaching would help him develop other parts of his game.
I'm going to go on my grumpy old man rant now, but FFS if you are a professional back in Union, you should be doing half an hour of kicking practice off either foot multiple times a week. You'll suck to start with, but within a few years you will have a touch on the ball if you ever need to do it.
Too much gym time, not enough skill time.
I'm going to disagree here.
Oooh nice one.
sounds like a opportunity for a squabble in another thread... can you meaningfully improve your skills at the top level or not?
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The nickname is Harold Bishop
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just throwing this out there...Michael Collins is 100kg...i'll see myself out
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@Kiwiwomble Collins at 12? I'd rather shit in my hands and clap.
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@Yeetyaah you never disappoint
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I want to see Havilli have a SR season at 12 and see if he is the new Crotty.
No chance at fullback at Test level unless the AB bus drives off a cliff, but we are light in quality midfielders.
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