Australia v India
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@kev said in Australia v India:
@NTA said in Australia v India:
@kev said in Australia v India:
After the Aussie cricketers reverted to type, the world celebrates! Love it.
Huh? Explain.
Easy...everyone admires the Australian Cricket team for their skills. But, there is an aggressiveness / need to win that can turn to nasty sledging and recently to cheating. Supposedly they have worked hard on their culture but Tim Paine demonstrated that it is very hard to change and the needless bullshit is still their. When you behave like dicks you can’t complain if no one else likes you - noting that I am sure they don’t worry about that as they are still a great cricket team.
The thing is ugly win at all costs streak that runs through the side generally only shows itself when it is a high pressure situation against a good team - most often while they are in the process of blowing a big lead. Almost every series Aus has lost in the past four decades has been marred by an ugly incident, this one is no exception.
So while it's super easy to sing kumbahya in an ODI series against Sri Lanka that doesn't mean anything has changed and to be fair I'm not sure it needs to, it has been a winning formula and the public love it. Who cares what other think?
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@KiwiMurph Ian Chappell addressed that very question on ABC radio coverage today.
In typical flowery speech, " he got dropped for a reason and somehow not playing makes a him better than he was before!"
Well that's chappelli's view anyway - "how come when you die, retire or get dropped you automatically become a better player?", he added 🤣Edit: Shaun Marsh was also speculated when pukovski had concussion. I can't remember anyone new being mentioned all summer. A bit odd.
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@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@NTA could Khawaja be an option instead of Wade? He has a test average above 40..
Has been tried and deemed a failure. Now probably just wants to do short form. 🤷♂️
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Just watching the final 20 over highlights again. Great stuff
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@Donsteppa said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
They got better in the late 80s, much stronger still in the 90s and became arguably the best test team in history in the 2000s.....
While I'm thinking of it, the 90s was the decade they never lost the Ashes
For some it was a decade that lasted 20 years
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@KiwiMurph said in Australia v India:
@NTA could Khawaja be an option instead of Wade? He has a test average above 40..
Has been tried and deemed a failure. Now probably just wants to do short form. 🤷♂️
Fair.
Could be worth playing Green as a batsman (who can chip in with the odd over) and pick another 5th bowling option. It's not like Green is bowling that many overs.
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@Siam said in Australia v India:
Edit: Shaun Marsh was also speculated when pukovski had concussion. I can't remember anyone new being mentioned all summer. A bit odd.
The Shield season stopped in mid-November and in the early going almost all the early run scorers (Puvolski, Harris, Head, Green, Labuschagne) made the team except Marsh - so hardly anyone with irresistible form knocking on the door.
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@Siam said in Australia v India:
Coincided with a time that Sheffield Shield was huge. There were many names that never or hardly played for Oz but would have walked into any national side: law, Elliott, divenuto, hills, siddons, maher even Lehman off the top of my head. You had to make 1000 runs every season for at least 3 to get a mention. Now, nobody gets 1000.
You can add Bevan to the list too, with a 57 FC average - but he never played a full season due to ODI commitments. Katich and Hodge started posting big seasons toward the end of that decade, but would eventually get a half-decent crack.
That said Aussie's depth is probably better balanced now that it was back then. Yes they are a bit thin on the fringes with the batting, but they have serious bowling depth. They haven't had to trot out a Muller/Cook/Wilson/Nicholson/Dale type in their test attack in the past decade.
In hindsight it is worth looking at the bowling strength in Sheffield Shield through the 1990s, particularly in the second half of the decade, the leading wicket taker lists are dominated by sub-140kmh quicks who would not have looked out of place in a NZ shirt during that period. Queensland had Kaspa & Bichel in and out of test duty, WA had Jo Angel and Brendon Julian which were unique and Colin Miller was an enigma.
But the balance were a mix of ones with international pedigree (Adam Dale, Ian Harvey, Tom Moody, Tony Dodemaide) but more ODI specialists and then some real journeymen like (Saker, Ridgeway, McNamara). I'm still dubious as to how batting on flat tracks against those attacks would have translated against Donald, Walsh/Ambrose, Akram/Younis etc. When those guys played County cricket in the winter not necessarily any better than the leading English journeymen (although still usually in the mix as top run scorers).
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Nothing is more tragic than Australia losing a cricket series at home.
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@Billy-Tell said in Australia v India:
Nothing is more tragic than Australia losing a cricket series at home.
Especially to a "B" team
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@NTA said in Australia v India:
@MN5 said in Australia v India:
Yeah I dunno, they've been quite shite in the past and they've had about the same amount of people to select from.
Really?
Look at the last decade:
I count 20 series wins out of 30, and 1 drawn. That isn't too shabby, even if they've struggled in swing-friendly New Zealand
(in the same period, NZ haven't won in India).Over the same period, Australia have won 15 series from 33 (or 34) with 4 drawn. The days of Steve Waugh's legendary sides is long gone.
They've obviously got the coaching set up right.......they've always had the batsmen but they actually have some decent fast bowlers for once as well.
And I think that is actually a product of realising their weaknesses away from home. In England against the Duke, and on green seamers in New Zealand, they weren't doing that well. In Australia we provided them roads to bat on but their bowling wasn't consistent enough.
But it is definitely improving.
While I agree India are finally capitilising on the immense human and financial resources that they have that Table for me illustrates a more telling point.
In the past decade India haven't won a series in NZ, England or South Africa but now they've done it twice in Oz.
Sure India have improved but you guys ....
Haven't looked at the combined ANZAC side thread yet but I assume Starc (always a dubious choice IMO) has been dropped
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@dogmeat said in Australia v India:
Sure India have improved but you guys ....
Which I also pointed out in that post. 😉
Go back ten years and India didn't give a shit about anything but winning at home. They'd crank up the dustbowls and pick 2-3 spinners, batting their way to victory.
The last 5 years they've started to round out their approach a bit more.
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@Siam said in Australia v India:
@MN5 i was saying the playing stocks are low in Aus at the moment regarding test cricket. The ones outside of 3 batsmen and 4 bowlers. You said they're fine and then referenced 40 fucking years ago. I offered up the " cupboard" stock examples but obviously have got it wrong.
So who are these cricketers that are better than Harris, Wade khawaja, head and burns?
Well no you said as bare as it's ever been. I merely pointed out it has been very bare in the past too.
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@Siam said in Australia v India:
Coincided with a time that Sheffield Shield was huge. There were many names that never or hardly played for Oz but would have walked into any national side: law, Elliott, divenuto, hills, siddons, maher even Lehman off the top of my head. You had to make 1000 runs every season for at least 3 to get a mention. Now, nobody gets 1000.
Martin Love - averaged 50 in Sheffield Shield - 46 in the few tests he played, but could barely get a game.
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@Chris-B there's a heap of those guys
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Who is the Australian bowling coach?
There has to be some serious questions there.
They hammered the back of a length but didn't bowl nearly enough at the stumps and really struggled to get the ball to swing at all and certainly didn't bowl the right length to get it to swing either. Lyon's bowling plans were also poor.
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@mariner4life said in Australia v India:
@Chris-B there's a heap of those guys
I know - and we couldn't find an NZ grandparent amongst them?!!
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