NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020
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@MajorRage said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
It's the wrong decade. That team is the best from 2005-2015.
2015-2020 would be a bloody tough decade to pick given how many teams played really well at various stages over that period
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@junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
I agree, Read's omission is not the most egregious in that list. What I can't fathom is just how underrated he is on this forum.
Recency bias. Since 2015, he didn't hit the heights he had previously. We've got short memories here.
Also, what have you done for me lately?
I looked up POTY by the way. From 09 to 17, it was All Blacks all the way - except our friend Thierry in 2011. GOAT got nominated 8 times, which is pretty good going consdiering.
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@Bovidae said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
@Stargazer How does the winner of the women's 15s player of the decade not make their team of the decade?
Democracy?
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See for me, the starting point is to take the 10 POTY's and include them on a mandatory basis. Although when you multiple players for one position, it completely falls apart (Barrett/Carter/Sexton, Dusatoir/PTSD)
Playing at a high level for 10 years is great, but being the best player of 1 year is arguably the bigger achievement. That's why I'd have no issues with Pieter Steph Du-Toit in the team over Pocock.
That's tough on Pocock, but thats how I'd do it.
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@junior said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
@Kiwiwomble said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
@Dice I don't know if i'll get roasted, he was great and deserved his AB spot...but I really felt he was only "best in the world" for a couple of years
All due respect to Vermuelen, who is an amazing player, but when was he ever in the conversation as the best in the world other than on 2019?
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@MajorRage said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
See for me, the starting point is to take the 10 POTY's and include them on a mandatory basis. Although when you multiple players for one position, it completely falls apart (Barrett/Carter/Sexton, Dusatoir/PTSD)
Playing at a high level for 10 years is great, but being the best player of 1 year is arguably the bigger achievement. That's why I'd have no issues with Pieter Steph Du-Toit in the team over Pocock.
That's tough on Pocock, but thats how I'd do it.
Those awards have been rooted for years though. The methodology at least was (I haven't looked in a few years) was a bit random (not all games are weighted equally, some are not weighted at all) and obviously has an arbitrary cycle and in World Cup years always seem to be a MoTM for the final/tournament.
I'm certainly not against giving McCaw more gongs though.
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Good AB prop, but I wondered if Franks was clearly no1. in his position.
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hmm and 14 is a bit contentious methinks.
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@Stargazer said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
World Rugby Awards
World Rugby Menâs 15s Team of the Decade
For comparison here is the TSF teams of the decade (AB & Foreign, plus 2nd XV's)
https://www.thesilverfern.com/post/413234-tsf-teams-of-the-decade
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The Brit Telegraph had extra ABs in, but a few out. Really it is a pretty average attempt at players of the decade with BoD and Habana past it, Smith much more consistent over the decade, Pocock in the wrong position, and a âmost test lossesâ extra participation award to Parisse.
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Wales onLine went with 10 AB's adding Kaino, Read, Coles, Smith and savea but dropping Nonu and Whitelock for Owen Farrell and Alun Wynn Jones
Ben Smith (NZL); George North (WAL), Jonathan Davies (WAL), Owen Farrell (ENG), Julian Savea (NZL); Dan Carter (NZL), Aaron Smith (NZL); Tendai Mtawarira (RSA), Dane Coles (NZL), Owen Franks (NZL), Brodie Retallick (NZL), Alun Wyn Jones (WAL), Jerome Kaino (NZL), Richie McCaw (NZL), Kieran Read (NZL)
World Rugby's team of the decade put right
World Rugby's official greatest XV of the past 10 years has caused quite a stir since being announced on Monday night. Here's where they've probably gone wrong
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@dogmeat I'm actually all good with AWJ, hell of a player over a very long time
dropping Nonu is retarded
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@mariner4life said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
@dogmeat I'm actually all good with AWJ, hell of a player over a very long time
dropping Nonu is retarded
Yeah I agree with AWJ, keep Nonu and that looks closer to my one kiwi eye. But North?
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@mariner4life yeah I think there are a few players who you could swap in and out and not be overly worried about, I'm a big Whitelock fan, so he'd be a go to for me, but if AWJ had been named I wouldnt have been worried.
Agree, no way you dont play Nonu, his last couple of years he was practically peerless at 12, and pushed himself up into the argument with Tim Horan as the GOAT 12.
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@taniwharugby said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
@mariner4life yeah I think there are a few players who you could swap in and out and not be overly worried about, I'm a big Whitelock fan, so he'd be a go to for me, but if AWJ had been named I wouldnt have been worried.
Agree, no way you dont play Nonu, his last couple of years he was practically peerless at 12, and pushed himself up into the argument with Tim Horan as the GOAT 12.
i could have typed this post, agree completely
George North and the Irish should be gooooorn
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This yearâs awards will be presented in a made-for-TV special on Sky this Thursday 17 December at 7.30pm.
Full list of nominees:
Sky TV Fans Try of the Year
Neria Fomai (Hawkeâs Bay)
Jack Jones (Christâs College)
Bethel Lutele-Malasia (Napier Boysâ High School)New Zealand Referee of the Year
Mike Fraser (Wellington)
Ben OâKeeffe (Horowhenua Kapiti)
Paul Williams (Taranaki)Charles Monro Rugby Volunteer of the Year
Jane Chamberlain (Horowhenua Kapiti)
Allen Grainger (Waikato)
Scott Kahle (Bay of Plenty)NZRPA Kirk Award
Announced on the nightSteinlager Salver
Announced on the nightDuane Monkley Medal (Mitre 10 Cup Player of the Year)
Folau Fakatava (Hawkeâs Bay)
Salesi Rayasi (Auckland)
Kaleb Trask (Bay of Plenty)Fiaoâo Faamausili Medal (Farah Palmer Cup Player of the Year)
Chelsea Alley (Waikato)
Kendra Cocksedge (Canterbury)
Stacey Fluhler (Waikato)ASB National Coach of the Year
Andrew Goodman and Clarke Dermody ( Ta$man)
Mark Ozich (Hawkeâs Bay)
Scott Robertson (Crusaders)
James Semple (Waikato FPC)ASB New Zealand Coach of the Year
Allan Bunting and Cory Sweeney (Black Ferns Sevens)
Ian Foster (All Blacks)
Clark Laidlaw (All Blacks Sevens)
Glenn Moore (Black Ferns)
Clayton McMillian (Maori All Blacks)Investec Super Rugby Player of the Year
Jordie Barrett (Taranaki, Hurricanes)
Richie Moâunga (Canterbury, Crusader)
Aaron Smith (Manawatu, Highlanders)
Patrick Tuipulotu (Auckland, Blues)Tom French Memorial Maori Player of the Year
Ash Dixon (NgÄti Tahinga, Hawkeâs Bay)
Stacey Fluhler (Tuhoe/Te Arawa, Waikato)
Aaron Smith (NgÄti Kahungunu, Manawatu)Richard Crawshaw Memorial All Blacks Sevens Player of the Year
Scott Curry (Bay of Plenty)
Tim Mikkelson (Waikato)
Ngarohi McGarvey-Black (North Harbour)Black Ferns Sevens Player of the Year
Kelly Brazier (Bay of Plenty)
Stacey Fluhler (Waikato)
Tyla Nathan-Wong (Northland)Black Ferns Player of the Year
Chelsea Alley (Waikato)
Kendra Cocksedge (Canterbury)
Kennedy Simon (Waikato)All Blacks Player of the Year
Sam Cane (Bay of Plenty)
Dane Coles (Wellington)
Aaron Smith (Manawatu)Adidas National Team of the Year
Crusaders
Hawkeâs Bay
Canterbury (FPC)
Ta$manAdidas New Zealand Team of the Year
All Blacks
All Blacks Sevens
Black Ferns
Black Ferns Sevens
Maori All BlacksKelvin R Tremain Memorial Player of the Year
Announced on the nighthttps://www.allblacks.com/news/nominees-announced-for-2020-asb-rugby-awards
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@Stargazer said in NZ and World Rugby Awards 2020:
ASB New Zealand Coach of the Year
Allan Bunting and Cory Sweeney (Black Ferns Sevens)
Ian Foster (All Blacks)
Clark Laidlaw (All Blacks Sevens)
Glenn Moore (Black Ferns)
Clayton McMillian (Maori All Blacks)Fuck I hope Foster wins... the meltdown here will be glorious to watch.
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@Kruse I've never laughed so hard when I saw his name in that list!
The All Blacks 7s and Black Ferns 7s coaches have won World Series titles this year, so should be the frontrunners.
The AB7s won 3 from 6 tournaments. Only in Sydney they didn't win a medal.The BF7s won 4 from 5 tournaments. Only in Glendale (USA) they won bronze. So the BF7s had the best year.
Moore: no Black Ferns tests, this year.
McMillan: only one MABs game, which they won.Foster: a very mixed bag.
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My picks would be:
try: I already know who won
ref:
WilliamsDM medal:
I'd pick Fakatava, of course, but I think Rayasi will win.FF medal:
FluhlerCoach:
I'd pick Ozich, but I think it will be Goodman and Dermody (Robertson already won in 2019)SR:
Mo'unga, but already won in 2019, so they'll probably pick JordieMaori:
Dixon (he's been overlooked for years)AB7s:
I have no ideaBF7s:
FluhlerBFs:
CocksedgeABs:
SmithNat team:
Of course, Hawke's Bay, but I think they'll pick Ta$man men or Canterbury women.NZ Team:
BF7sKel Tremain:
A Smith
