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<p>So back on topic, what do religious nutjobs, the mentally ill, high school students with an axe to grind and sociopaths all have in common? They can easily and legally obtain the AR-15 assault rifle and all the ammo they can afford</p>
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<p>Despite being on a Federal watch list - though I think I read he was taken off that list after interrogation?</p>
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<p>Suppose you need to keep your watch list fairly clean, like your Inbox.</p> -
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<p>Oh for the good old days when Heavy Metal was the cause of nut jobs massacring people</p>
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<p>Aye? Since when has Islam and religion in general <em>not</em> been the cause of nut jobs massacring people? It has been the number one cause for at least the last 6 thousand years. Heavy Metal doesn't have shit on religion!</p>
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<p>There might be, I'm not apologising for anything but can't it just be placed into the shit happens, deranged people inhabit the earth box rather than squeezed into the villain flavour of the month box?</p>
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<p>You want to put all of these mass murders down to "shit happens"? I'd rather find the root cause and stamp it out. Islam is not villain "flavour of the month". More "flavour of the last 6 thousand years".</p> -
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<blockquote class="ipsBlockquote" data-author="NTA" data-cid="587688" data-time="1465868561"><p>Despite being on a Federal watch list - though I think I read he was taken off that list after interrogation?<br>
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Suppose you need to keep your watch list fairly clean, like your Inbox.</p></blockquote>I liken it to the estranged husband who breaches the restraining order to kill his ex-wife his kids and himself. You can't watch him every minute of the day and you can't imprison him just because you suspect he might do something bad someday -
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<p>I liken it to the estranged husband who breaches the restraining order to kill his ex-wife his kids and himself. You can't watch him every minute of the day and you can't imprison him just because you suspect he might do something bad someday</p>
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<p>I agree.</p>
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<p>Was more thinking about what control mechanisms could be put into place to control the gun purchase side of things.</p>
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<p>Are you on a Federal watch list? No gun for you, or flags somewhere should go up when you apply.</p> -
They showed a picture of his car on the news last night. He had a US Marines number plate and stickers for NASA and the NYPD. There were other pro-US institution stickers as well. Seems like he did absolutely everything to keep his nose clean.
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<p>I agree.</p>
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<p>Was more thinking about what control mechanisms could be put into place to control the gun purchase side of things.</p>
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<p><strong>Are you on a Federal watch list? No gun for you, or flags somewhere should go up when you apply.</strong></p>
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<p>Except if you buy from a gun show!!! :good:</p>
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<p>NICS: A prohibited person is one who:</p>
<ul><li>Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;</li>
<li>Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;</li>
<li>Is a fugitive from justice;</li>
<li>Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;</li>
<li>Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;</li>
<li>Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;</li>
<li>Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;</li>
<li>Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;</li>
<li>Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner;</li>
<li>Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System#cite_note-FBI-NCIS-Index-7'>[7]</a></sup></li>
</ul><p>Aside from previously being a person of interest, he also had a history of Domestic Violence and was Bipolar. That's two more red flags that were missed.</p>
<p>I assume the DV wasn't reported or he wasn't convicted... but the Bipolar? Surely that's tracked, right?</p> -
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<p>NICS: A prohibited person is one who:</p>
<ul><li>Has been convicted in any court of a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;</li>
<li>Is under indictment for a crime punishable by imprisonment for a term exceeding one year;</li>
<li>Is a fugitive from justice;</li>
<li>Is an unlawful user of or addicted to any controlled substance;</li>
<li>Has been adjudicated as a mental defective or committed to a mental institution;</li>
<li>Is illegally or unlawfully in the United States;</li>
<li>Has been discharged from the Armed Forces under dishonorable conditions;</li>
<li>Having been a citizen of the United States, has renounced U.S. citizenship;</li>
<li>Is subject to a court order that restrains the person from harassing, stalking, or threatening an intimate partner or child of such intimate partner;</li>
<li>Has been convicted in any court of a misdemeanor crime of domestic violence.<sup><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/National_Instant_Criminal_Background_Check_System#cite_note-FBI-NCIS-Index-7'>[7]</a></sup></li>
</ul><p>Aside from previously being a person of interest, he also had a history of Domestic Violence and was Bipolar. That's two more red flags that were missed.</p>
<p>I assume the DV wasn't reported or he wasn't convicted... but the Bipolar? Surely that's tracked, right?</p>
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<p>Why? Being bipolar doesn't mean psychotic. The greatest danger to people suffering a manic depressive episode is to themselves.</p> -
<p>A Dutch woman who was raped while on holiday in Qatar has been convicted of adultery and handed a one-year suspended sentence after she reported the crime to authorities.</p>
<p>The 22-year-old woman, known only as Laura and who was not present in court, was also fined 3,000 Qatari riyals ($1084 AUD) and will be deported once she pays the fine, court officials said.</p>
<p>She had denied the charge against her.</p>
<p>The Syrian male defendant, Omar Abdullah ah-Hasan, was sentenced to 100 lashes for the illicit sex and 40 lashes for consuming alcohol.</p>
<p>Hasan, who also did not appear in court, will undergo a medical examination to see if he is fit enough to withstand his punishment.</p>
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<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/31831616/tourist-who-was-drugged-and-raped-convicted-of-adultery/#page1'>https://au.news.yahoo.com/world/a/31831616/tourist-who-was-drugged-and-raped-convicted-of-adultery/#page1</a></p> -
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<p>Oh for the good old days when Heavy Metal was the cause of nut jobs massacring people</p>
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<p>Is there truly and really a definitive reason for this shit?</p>
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<p>There might be, I'm not apologising for anything but can't it just be placed into the shit happens, deranged people inhabit the earth box rather than squeezed into the villain flavour of the month box?</p>
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<p><strong>What was the definitive reason for Dave Gray in Aromoana, Martin Bryant in Port Arthur, Nutjob in Denmark, Sandy Hook, Dunblaine, Jim Jones, etcetera etcetera??</strong></p>
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<p>I don't recall heavy metal being the cause of massacres. As for the part in bold, what was the definitive reason behind, 9/11, 7/7, the boston marathon bombing, Bataclan,[insert the next atrocity from a muslim feral here] ?</p> -
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<p>Why? Being bipolar doesn't mean psychotic. The greatest danger to people suffering a manic depressive episode is to themselves.</p>
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<p>The NICS background check says "mental defective" - not psychotic.</p>
<p>Bipolar is a mental condition... and as you have pointed out, they are of greatest danger to themselves during an episode.</p>
<p>Therefore, that would seem to meet the definition of mental defective as per the Alcohol / Tobacco / Firearms website.</p>
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<p><em><span style="color:rgb(17,17,17);font-family:'Open Sans', sans-serif;font-size:15px;">A person is “adjudicated as a mental defective†if any lawful authority finds that “a person, as a result of subnormal intelligence, or mental illness or incompetency, condition or disease: (1) is a danger to himself or others or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or order his own affairs.â€</span></em></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/agorder0001pdf/download'>https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/agorder0001pdf/download</a></p> -
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<p>The NICS background check says "mental defective" - not psychotic.</p>
<p>Bipolar is a mental condition... and as you have pointed out, they are of greatest danger to themselves during an episode.</p>
<p>Therefore, that would seem to meet the definition of mental defective as per the Alcohol / Tobacco / Firearms website.</p>
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<p><em><span style="color:rgb(17,17,17);font-family:'Open Sans', sans-serif;font-size:15px;">A person is “adjudicated as a mental defective†<strong>if any lawful authority finds that “a person, as a result of</strong> subnormal intelligence, or mental illness or incompetency, condition or disease: (1) is a danger to himself or others or (2) lacks the mental capacity to contract or order his own affairs.â€</span></em></p>
<p><a data-ipb='nomediaparse' href='https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/agorder0001pdf/download'>https://www.atf.gov/resource-center/docs/agorder0001pdf/download</a></p>
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<p>Could be that - a "lawful authority" is defined as a court, board, or commission, I guess it depends on the situations where one finds themselves in front of a "lawful authority" for consideration. </p>
<p>It could also be the case that he isn't bipolar and his wife conducted her own diagnosis of the behaviour she endured.</p> -
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<p>Could be that - a "lawful authority" is defined as a court, board, or commission, I guess it depends on the situations where one finds themselves in front of a "lawful authority" for consideration. </p>
<p>It could also be the case that <strong>he isn't bipolar and his wife conducted her own diagnosis of the behaviour she endured.</strong></p>
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<p>I was wondering this too, angry closeted gay who has no respect for women beats his wife is my diagnosis.</p> -
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<p>Tormented by the guilt due to his religion through his vocal zealot father</p>
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<p>That too, its weird that homosexuality is forbidden for muslims yet seems pretty commonplace in a lot of muslim countries.</p> -
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<p>Could be that - a "lawful authority" is defined as a court, board, or commission, I guess it depends on the situations where one finds themselves in front of a "lawful authority" for consideration. </p>
<p>It could also be the case that he isn't bipolar and his wife conducted her own diagnosis of the behaviour she endured.</p>
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<p>There's a lot of claims coming out about the gunman, with an amazing lack of evidence for any of it too.</p> -
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<p>There's a lot of claims coming out about the gunman, with an amazing lack of evidence for any of it too.</p>
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<p>You talking about this thread or in general?</p>
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<p>Nevermind its both.</p>
Guns?.........or is that the least of the problems?