The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread
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You have to tip your hat to Foster.
To have no discernible coaching ability and then somehow worm your way into the coaching setup of one of the world's most successful sporting teams and remain there for 9 years takes some doing. Pretty impressive really.
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@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I still cant believe that we paid out a club to get Mooar back.
Attack mastermind to complement the defensive nous of McLeod.
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@Big-Bok said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
So close to 3 wins from 4 and very different emotions I suggest...
Great post, but close isn't good enough. We were close in every loss in '98 IIRC (5 of them) but couldn't find the edge, we weren't happy with close losses then either. A loss is a loss.
Most of us are complaining about the passive approach, lack of innovation, combinations and cohesiveness, leadership, team spirit, strategy, even the apparent lack of desire to win at times (really hope that isn't the case). That comes from the top.
It just looks flat. Maybe the fun of the game has gone for some of them, but the need for some inspiration and if a Black Jersey doesn't do it...
Maybe Gilbert Enoka has lost his edge? Or maybe it is just the coaching / leadership. There are some technical issues / stategy as well as the headspace, but it is quite a fix to get back to where we were 3 or 4 years ago.
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@Steven-Harris said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We only have to go back to the laughable interview process when every man and his dog knew that Foster had already been locked ,there’s some individuals that sat on that panel looking like right goons at the minute .Graham’s Henry’s who was part of that panel has his filthy finger prints all over it , one of the good ole boys that ensure one of his mates stayed in the job .
Henry doesn't sound like he rates him - his comments at the Wairarapa Bush function suggested he really liked Rennie.
Ultimately, the panel can only look at who they put in front of them. Robertson's faults and potential weaknesses are still there - he's not coached outside NZ, only really coached in a well structured environment, and is still pretty young in his coaching career.
Don't get me wrong, I think he's a tremendous coach for Canterbury, but we don't know how he'd go at the top level. It would have been a risk to appoint him... although in hindsight a calculated risk.
I think the process has a lot to answer for. I'd have taken Rennie or Joseph over Foster -- but they weren't even interested in talking.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Maybe Gilbert Enoka has lost his edge? Or maybe it is just the coaching / leadership. There are some technical issues / stategy as well as the headspace, but it is quite a fix to get back to where we were 3 or 4 years ago.
I doubt Enoka can address the mental gap if the players have misgivings regarding the coaching.
@nzzp said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I think the process has a lot to answer for. I'd have taken Rennie or Joseph over Foster -- but they weren't even interested in talking.
Again, hardly a glowing reflection on NZR's professionalism.
It looks to me that our golden period will have a commensurate balance as the pendulum swings back. Almost no one appears to have a decent resume to justify their current positions.
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I doubt Enoka can address the mental gap if the players have misgivings regarding the coaching.
Yep. They would have to work as a "team". A concept that seems to have gone missing.
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@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I still cant believe that we paid out a club to get Mooar back.
Attack mastermind to complement the defensive nous of McLeod.
Mcleod did a really good job with the Highlanders defence, not sure whats happened
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@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I still cant believe that we paid out a club to get Mooar back.
Attack mastermind to complement the defensive nous of McLeod.
Mcleod did a really good job with the Highlanders defence, not sure whats happened
Maybe it’s because he has to deal with a head coach who has no clue that compromises Mcleods job.
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@Chris or joseph/brown made him look good
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@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I still cant believe that we paid out a club to get Mooar back.
Attack mastermind to complement the defensive nous of McLeod.
Mcleod did a really good job with the Highlanders defence, not sure whats happened
We actually aren't conceding that many points. When did McLeod get the job? It doesn't look any worse than in the past.
Scoring on the other hand...perhaps I should say scoring when we need to has been problematic.
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@Snowy yes, maybe not letting in many tries but we seem to be scrambling a lot and i always see people popping up to defend in random positions, maybe he's doing what he can with the teams being chosen
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@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Snowy yes, maybe not letting in many tries but we seem to be scrambling a lot and i always see people popping up to defend in random positions, maybe he's doing what he can with the teams being chosen
Certainly doesn't look "organised" but given the number of penalties we are conceding, along with our game of cards, when we should be playing rugby, it could be a lot worse.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I still cant believe that we paid out a club to get Mooar back.
Attack mastermind to complement the defensive nous of McLeod.
Mcleod did a really good job with the Highlanders defence, not sure whats happened
We actually aren't conceding that many points. When did McLeod get the job? It doesn't look any worse than in the past.
Scoring on the other hand...perhaps I should say scoring when we need to has been problematic.
Didn't he take over end of year tour 2017 after being 'mentored' by Wayne Smith during 2017?
This passive defensive system by McLeod has been in place for a while.
As @Kiwiwomble points out - the ABs seem to be scrambling an awful lot and allowing the opposition to gain the advantage line a heck of a lot. They aren't meeting the physical challenge and forcing the opposition into errors/mistakes/kicks etc.
Not to mention the last two tests kicks in behind have badly exposed the ABs.
The defence is a huge problem in my opinion. Argentina didn't do a hell of a lot and scored 25 points.
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@ACT-Crusader said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@sparky said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@mariner4life said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
We're playing the same game plan as 2015 with significantly worse players and hoping for the same results.
Actually that's not fair. 2015 we had more than 1 way to play.
Still better players but.
This is a new low for AB rugby as far as I am concerned. A supposedly superior team playing its 5th test against an inferior side playing it's first meaningful game?
Nails it for me.
The ABs' culture in the last four years has become backwards, arrogant and lazy in its thinking. Innovation has been stifled. Inward looking (almost narcissistic), self-congratulatory and complacent. What you sow, you reap.
You couldn’t fit anymore cliches in a post if you tried...
He's not really wrong though. Sam telling the world we were going to play the game at pace typifies this for me. It's like the opposition has no say in how you will play. Personally I don't give a shit if a tight forward can't raise more than a resolute plod so long as he sucks in tacklers when he carries, hits rucks, tackles hard, protects the ball and doesn't knock on. pace is a nice to have. Expressing himself comes way down the list.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@Kiwiwomble said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@antipodean said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@gt12 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
I still cant believe that we paid out a club to get Mooar back.
Attack mastermind to complement the defensive nous of McLeod.
Mcleod did a really good job with the Highlanders defence, not sure whats happened
We actually aren't conceding that many points. When did McLeod get the job? It doesn't look any worse than in the past.
Scoring on the other hand...perhaps I should say scoring when we need to has been problematic.
Defence isn't just about conceding points. It needs to be organised, aggressive and suffocating which will lead to the opposition making errors and conceding turnovers. Not seeing any of this atm. We make so few dominant tackles compared to some of the top teams.
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
It needs to be organised, aggressive and suffocating which will lead to the opposition making errors and conceding turnovers.
kinda like what Argentina did to us on Saturday!
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@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Defence isn't just about conceding points. It needs to be organised, aggressive and suffocating which will lead to the opposition making errors and conceding turnovers.
Of course. Which is why we talk about dominant tackles and physicality. That is up to the players not so much the coach (technique obviously comes in to it).
I was just saying that the structure might be O.K as we aren't giving away easy points in spite of the penalties and field position that we concede from them.
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@Snowy said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
@akan004 said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Defence isn't just about conceding points. It needs to be organised, aggressive and suffocating which will lead to the opposition making errors and conceding turnovers.
Of course. Which is why we talk about dominant tackles and physicality. That is up to the players not so much the coach (technique obviously comes in to it).
I was just saying that the structure might be O.K as we aren't giving away easy points in spite of the penalties and field position that we concede from them.
I think it's a combination of the two.
Defensive structure - why don't the ABs use a rush defence themselves more often?
To me - the structure looks to be a "bend but don't break" and it gets exposed against teams who show some physicality.
The defence against England 19 semi final and on Saturday looked very similar - passive and unable to generate turnover ball.
The scramble defence is very good - but they are scrambling way more than they should be.
In test match rugby you should be basing your game on your defence and building around that. This AB team are unable to do so and have ended up having to chase the game in the last 10 minutes both games in the last 2 weeks.
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@KiwiMurph 0800 Please help us wayne smith
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@KiwiMurph said in The 'How is Fozzie going?' thread:
Defensive structure - why don't the ABs use a rush defence themselves more often?
That's a real head scratcher.
