Tasman v Northland
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@Steven-Harris said in Ta$man v Northland:
Dwayne Polataivao (Samoan International)who played for Pakuranga in the Auckland club comp that have been flown in.
I have no issue with what Ta$man are doing , When they lose their all blacks they ,that’s where having quality cover is a mustI think this is a slightly different issue from the overall recruitment conversation.
Provinces should select local club players when they have injuries and unavailability. It's a rep competition.. or at least its meant to be. If the replacements from the provinces club competition aren't good enough then the province should lose games
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@Duluth while Northland havent enjoyed the success of other sides, I think the past few years our crowd numbers have been decent (despite our lack of success) and I think this is in part to the Northland 'rule' of selecting players who have played club footy here (aside from super rugby players or NZ Colt level players) as this gives supporters a bit more connection as the guys they see running round on a Saturday arvo on club footy has made it into the Northland team.
I can only imagine the numbers we would have had last weekend with the team we had, the sunshine, and then fast forward 4 weeks into the comp, if we had a positive win/loss ratio...even more if we had a season where we nabbed that elusive shield or had a home semi final!!
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@Steven-Harris said in Ta$man v Northland:
There were reports that of the team that took the field last night, only 1 player, Tim O’Malley has played club rugby in the region, I suspect that might be more around 3,the rest all played super rugby , there are some players like Mahonri Ngakuru from Papamoa in the BOP and Dwayne Polataivao (Samoan International)who played for Pakuranga in the Auckland club comp that have been flown in.
I had a look at a few club team sheets to see whether the reports were correct.
Without much effort, I found - of the non-Super rugby players - Te Ahiwaru Cirikadaveta, Jacob Norris, Kershawl Sykes-Martin, Isaac Salmon, Cameron Suafoa, Braden Stewart and Tim O'Malley listed to play. Plus a number of other guys who are in the squad, but not last night's team.
Seems like the reports might be bullshit.
but one of the biggest oppositions they having to this proposal is coming from the Ta$man CEO, Tony Rogers , when you consider what sort of money they have tied up in players you can understand that..
In 2017, Ta$man made the final of the Mitre 10 Cup Premiership with the 4th lowest team and match related costs of any union. Source - the Deloittes State of the Union report.
In 2018, these jumped significantly, I'm pretty sure because we hosted a test match with a special arrangement with NZ rugby.
Why am I pretty sure? Because we didn't sign any big players - unless we happened to decide to pay Wyatt Crockett a fortune.
I guess we can all await the 2019 Deloittes report with interest. But, the thing is, in 2019 we didn't sign any new big players either. If our payments have gone up, it's because we paid some of our star players more (perhaps to fend off a bunch of vultures)!
But, with a bit of luck, it's going to turn out that we won the Premiership on a relative shoestring - in which case, there is going to be a reckoning!
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@Chris-B thanks for clarifying that , I must admit when I heard that ,I was a tad skeptical ..
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@Steven-Harris The only genuine poaches Ta$man has made, IMO, have been Kane Hames and then this season Sevu Reece and Mark Talea.
Mostly, we have signed people out of school or unwanted from club rugby and developed them into good players.
Though I'm pretty sure Canterbury would now wish they'd retained Will Jordan!
Otherwise, there has been a great deal of sookery since we won!
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@Chris-B not that he is a poach, but from a Northland perspective, it is frustrating that Isi signs with Canterbury, only to be loaned to Ta$man, who didnt really need him, whereas someone of his calibre left a hole in our side as evidenced last night.
Have to assume this is Crusaders/Canterbury/ Ta$man working together to stockpile players, and despite signing with Canterbury, was always heading to Ta$man.
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@taniwharugby Yes - the other Chris pointed out that Ta$man has benefited from being part of the Crusaders 'region. As do Canterbury.
I suspect we've got Sevu through the same mechanism i.e. guys that don't want to have two homes 500 miles apart. And Andrew Goodman being a coach in both organizations.
But, I don't regard Isi as a poach. Canterbury will recall him at the most inopportune time for Ta$man - mark my words. They did the same thing a few years ago with Jordan Taufua.
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@Chris-B well I did say, "not that he is a poach"
My heart will bleed for you guys if they do that, you guys are doing it so tough
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@taniwharugby While I have been particularly and purposefully obnoxious in victory
in reality, Ta$man winning has been a massive win for the former Div II unions.So you shouldn't confuse me being an arsehole with how good it has been for Canterbury, Auckland, Wellington and Waikato to be stuffed by the minnows!
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@Chris-B said in Ta$man v Northland:
The only genuine poaches Ta$man has made, IMO, have been Kane Hames and then this season Sevu Reece and Mark Talea.
Reminds me of when England started picking Poly players and the goalposts for the definition of poaches started moving.
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@Nepia I will clarify - I have no compunction about signing kids out of school or other people's club competitions.
They're on your doorstep - if you want them sign them.
If you fail to identify their talent or let them slip through your fingers then bad luck - lift your game.
I'm a bit uneasy about signing people who are clearly wanted from other people's teams. Hence, Hames, Reece and Talea are signings I'm not comfortable with. They're poaches - like when you guys nicked the Mighty Kahn - but, that was way worse because it was facilitated by Steve Tew!
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I don't understand why Faiane is getting rated so highly in either match. Hasn't been bad but certainly hasn't stood out. His kicking is a bit of a liability - definitely missing Debreczeni at 10. More of a danger with ball in hand than Hawkins but still not taking it to the line like Debreczeni did either.
Really can't understand why Gregory isn't at 12. If he's fit he should be starting at 12 every match and we build the backline around him. Would also like to see Macilai get a run - probably in place of Leilua. Leilua has been ok but Macilai is such a danger at this level and we could do with someone who can make something out of nothing
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@kev said in Ta$man v Northland:
Just want Jordon to throw that big body around more.
He needs to get the ball before he can do that, alt of the play hasnt gone his way, but when we have had the ball we rarely send it his way, he did go looking the other night as he was on the other side a few times, but we still need to use him more as he attracts more than 1 defender which will create space.
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@taniwharugby Fair comment - some times in games that is very much the case. That said, Leilua has impressed me this year with his physicality.
