EPL 2020/2021
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Chelsea get the revenge match win and if Liverpool and Leicester both win out it will go to goal difference for the final spot (unless Chelsea drop points).
Liverpool have the slightly better run in of the two so you'd think they're favourites, although they have an extra game and therefore an extra chance to slip up.
Spurs champions league hopes are dead now.
In non epl news, my favourite little football club, Eibar in la Liga are also guaranteed to be relegated from la Liga. They lasted many seasons more than anyone expected, being based in town with a population of about 28,000 and a home ground with a capacity of about 8000.
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@cyclops said in EPL 2020/2021:
Chelsea get the revenge match win and if Liverpool and Leicester both win out it will go to goal difference for the final spot (unless Chelsea drop points).
Liverpool have the slightly better run in of the two so you'd think they're favourites, although they have an extra game and therefore an extra chance to slip up.
Spurs champions league hopes are dead now.
In non epl news, my favourite little football club, Eibar in la Liga are also guaranteed to be relegated from la Liga. They lasted many seasons more than anyone expected, being based in town with a population of about 28,000 and a home ground with a capacity of about 8000.
It could be a pretty crazy Sunday. If Liverpool win tonight (away to Burnley), then they will nudge out Leicester and on Saturday it'll be Chelsea 67, Liverpool & Leicster on 66 with superior goal diff (1+winning margin tonight)
If they lose tonight, then Chelsea are in, and Leicester are in the box seat needing only point on Sunday.
Sunday matches are Leicster home to Spurs, Chelsea away to Villa & Liverpool home to Palace. Chelsea in control of their destiny, Liverpool & Leicester not!
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Big win for Liverpool gives the a bit of a buffer on goal difference meaning they're all but guaranteed if they can beat Crystal Palace. If they both win, Leicester need to win by 4 goals more than Liverpool do. That puts them level on goal difference but ahead on goals scored (unless you have some Micky mouse Liverpool win 5-4 and Leicester win 5-0 in which case they stay level on goals scored and the tie breaker is head to head record which Liverpool win).
Leicester have Spurs. A win there means spurs likely miss out on Europe and potentially finish as low as 9th. Don't say it too loud, but an Arsenal win and a Spurs loss mean the first St Totteringham's day in I don't know how long.
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@cyclops said in EPL 2020/2021:
Big win for Liverpool gives the a bit of a buffer on goal difference meaning they're all but guaranteed if they can beat Crystal Palace. If they both win, Leicester need to win by 4 goals more than Liverpool do. That puts them level on goal difference but ahead on goals scored (unless you have some Micky mouse Liverpool win 5-4 and Leicester win 5-0 in which case they stay level on goals scored and the tie breaker is head to head record which Liverpool win).
Leicester have Spurs. A win there means spurs likely miss out on Europe and potentially finish as low as 9th. Don't say it too loud, but an Arsenal win and a Spurs loss mean the first St Totteringham's day in I don't know how long.
Spurs could easily roll over again. We have lost our heart and soul, and now we will lose Harry. Major rebuild time
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Bournemouth are out after second leg last night. The red card after about 20 minutes changed the game significantly and we were really just hanging in there at that point. Not debating the foul, just changed the game. Good luck the Bees
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@bayimports said in EPL 2020/2021:
Bournemouth are out after second leg last night. The red card after about 20 minutes changed the game significantly and we were really just hanging in there at that point. Not debating the foul, just changed the game. Good luck the Bees
They will be hoping it's second time lucky
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@bayimports said in EPL 2020/2021:
Bournemouth are out after second leg last night. The red card after about 20 minutes changed the game significantly and we were really just hanging in there at that point. Not debating the foul, just changed the game. Good luck the Bees
When I saw the red in real time I thought "hmm, harsh" then the replay showed he had basically tap tackled and changed my mind - red all day. And stupid as well so early in the game and after an early goal.
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Remarkably similar table at season end to last year. Only six teams moved more than two places from their 19/20 finishing position. Leeds as a promoted side, West Ham who jumped nine places to their best finish this century and Villa up six after just averting relegation last year were the positives.
Sheffield down 11 were the obvious losers but Burnley down 7 and Wolves six also lost ground.
The theoretical safety number (i.e. one point above the drop zones) was 29 the lowest ever.
Stupid fucking Fulham took 8 points off the top 5 but only 5 from the five teams immediately above them!
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Liverpool sneak to 3rd thanks to the teams around them completely shitting the bed.
It speaks volumes about the quality on display that City finished that far in front despite only having a points total that would have seen them smashed in to 2nd over the past few years.
Flawed teams everywhere.
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have to say, as a bit of a premier league neutral its cool to see Leicester (and west ham) up there, shows they can be semi sustainable, in leicester's case they didn't win and then plummet quickly
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
Liverpool sneak to 3rd thanks to the teams around them completely shitting the bed.
It speaks volumes about the quality on display that City finished that far in front despite only having a points total that would have seen them smashed in to 2nd over the past few years.
Flawed teams everywhere.
Function of the season than any inherent lack of quality across the league, IMO. It's no surprise that Man City and Man U finished in second and third given the quality in their squads - much better able than anyone else, including Liverpool, to deal with the injuries that would inevitably come from such a tight schedule. Had Chelski had Tuchel from the start of the season, I am sure they would have finished above 'Pool based on that fact alone.
It will be interesting to see what happens next season, which is expected to be more "normal". Even then, a lot of guys will not get a decent break because of the Euros and Copa America.
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Klopp can whine as much as he wants about injuries, but the main reason his squad didn't challenge is because his front 3 completely forgot how to score goals for about two months. Goals for / against went from 85 / 33 to 68 / 42, VVD loss definitely contributed the 42 to 33, but the 85 to 62 is all on the strikers.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2020/2021:
Klopp can whine as much as he wants about injuries, but the main reason his squad didn't challenge is because his front 3 completely forgot how to score goals for about two months. Goals for / against went from 85 / 33 to 68 / 42, VVD loss definitely contributed the 42 to 33, but the 85 to 62 is all on the strikers.
A bit simplistic though. They did lose Jota on attack and having to play Henderson at CB affected their attack. Also TAA and Robertson both had more defensive duties.
Injuries are injuries though. They happen and other teams just have to deal with them.
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@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
Liverpool sneak to 3rd thanks to the teams around them completely shitting the bed.
It speaks volumes about the quality on display that City finished that far in front despite only having a points total that would have seen them smashed in to 2nd over the past few years.
Flawed teams everywhere.
Teams have won the league with a lot less points. United once won it with 75 points, only one more than they got this season. I think it was just a better league this season, with many more competitive teams.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2020/2021:
Klopp can whine as much as he wants about injuries, but the main reason his squad didn't challenge is because his front 3 completely forgot how to score goals for about two months. Goals for / against went from 85 / 33 to 68 / 42, VVD loss definitely contributed the 42 to 33, but the 85 to 62 is all on the strikers.
It's a bit simplistic to blame a lack of goals solely on the strikers - Klopp made the call to disrupt the midfield to bolster the defence and the general lack of confidence in the defence led to the full backs not bombing forward so much. Much of T-A-A's "return to form" has been because he is a great attacker but a poor defender but the structure of the midfield recently has given him more licence to attack. I wonder also whether teams have worked Liverpool out a bit, especially when the volume of games meant the press couldn't be used full on, all the time.
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@kiwipie I’d flip thst on its head honestly. It’s far too simplistic that they conceded many more because they lost VVD. I watched most of their games jan/feb (Covid bubble eith in laws, only person could beer with massive Liverpool fan) and in front of goal they were appalling. Miskicks, off target, complete lack of killer instinct.
Their season comparison stats (shots, chances etc) are pretty similar. I watched them lose/draw at least 5 matches they had chances to win. But no killer goals.
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@hydro11 said in EPL 2020/2021:
@mariner4life said in EPL 2020/2021:
Liverpool sneak to 3rd thanks to the teams around them completely shitting the bed.
It speaks volumes about the quality on display that City finished that far in front despite only having a points total that would have seen them smashed in to 2nd over the past few years.
Flawed teams everywhere.
Teams have won the league with a lot less points. United once won it with 75 points, only one more than they got this season. I think it was just a better league this season, with many more competitive teams.
it's not the 90s any more mate
86 points was enough for the total a grand total of 5 times out of the last 20 years.
And the reason the total was that low was not a more competitive league, it's that City started the year playing dogshit. They then reeled off an incredible number of wins in a row. They dropped points again at the end because the job was done and now it's all about the Champs league.
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@majorrage said in EPL 2020/2021:
@kiwipie I’d flip thst on its head honestly. It’s far too simplistic that they conceded many more because they lost VVD. I watched most of their games jan/feb (Covid bubble eith in laws, only person could beer with massive Liverpool fan) and in front of goal they were appalling. Miskicks, off target, complete lack of killer instinct.
Their season comparison stats (shots, chances etc) are pretty similar. I watched them lose/draw at least 5 matches they had chances to win. But no killer goals.
i didn't watch any of it bar highlights, but i read a lot about exactly this. Yes, there was disruptions in the supply as midfielders moved back, and fullbacks played more defensive to cover inexperienced centre backs but
Mane was very up and down, Salah the same, and Firmino has never been a big scorer. Add in the injury to the guy who was supposed to come in and score more, and the simple fact is they misfired up front when in previous years they would have found the extra goals they needed.
