Highlanders 2021
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Shit me.
This has gone a bit over the top.
I just see Sam Gilbert as a bit of a utility. Much like Scott Gregory. I think most players should be looking to develop their skillsets as much as possible across a range of positions, as it certainly increases their value in the squads they are playing in.
If we breakdown the likely members of the (2022) Highlanders backline. There's a lot value in players who can jump into multiple positions. Especially for those who may not be rated in the top one or two in their preferred positions.
Big Sam Gilbert is probably competing for a bench spot in a full strength team, against Scott Gregory. So, if he can cover 11-15, with Josh Ioane, also covering 10, 12 and 15. There's the entire backline covered across these three players.
I still think that Tony Brown would like to run TUJ and Paea as his preferred midfield. Having those real out and out utilities on the bench will offer great value.
The Highlanders will go into next year with a lot of depth. Utilities will be really useful, especially if they have already played a bit of Super Rugby.
While Gilbert hasn't played in the midfield. I just hope he and his coaches explore that option of seeing whether he has the ability to move into that role if needed.
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@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
People have…a couple of times…just because it’s not enough evidence to convince you (not that we need too) doesn’t mean it hasn’t been provided, for some of us, the potential need for someone in midfield…and having someone with the physical attributes to potentially do the job is enough for the suggestion…which was all it was
@Crazy-Horse i actually don’t mind a challenge, what gets tiresome is when someone ignores when their challenge have been answered because they don’t like the answer
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@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
People have…a couple of times…just because it’s not enough evidence to convince you (not that we need too) doesn’t mean it hasn’t been provided, for some of us, the potential need for someone in midfield…and having someone with the physical attributes to potentially do the job is enough for the suggestion…which was all it was
@Crazy-Horse i actually don’t mind a challenge, what gets tiresome is when someone ignores when their challenge have been answered because they don’t like the answer
That's the case in about 99% of the "discussions" on the Fern.
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@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
People have…a couple of times…just because it’s not enough evidence to convince you (not that we need too) doesn’t mean it hasn’t been provided, for some of us, the potential need for someone in midfield…and having someone with the physical attributes to potentially do the job is enough for the suggestion…which was all it was
@Crazy-Horse i actually don’t mind a challenge, what gets tiresome is when someone ignores when their challenge have been answered because they don’t like the answer
Would you mind regurgitating the evidence that has been provided that I've missed? Literally all you chaps have said is "he's big" and "if he can play 10/15 then he can play 12". Neither of which is evidential of his ability to play 12.
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As above. It is just a bloody rugby forum to throw some ideas around.
Here's the thing. He might be an ok player. He probably won't start next year. Although looking at things he could be a goer for the right wing.
If, he developed a bit of utility value. He might get more game time.
As mentioned. He's a big fucker. He can pass, tackle and run into holes reasonably well. Nothing to suggest he wouldn't be able to dip his toes into that area.
Stop being a fluffybunny.
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@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game.. -
@shark ’s just trolling, ignored the thread for the last week and then the day after the highlander Pip the crusaders to the final he comes back in and stirs up this tiny suggestion like it’s the most ludicrous thing in the history of rugby, demanding evidence etc…it’s a bit sad
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@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
the day after the highlander Pip the crusaders to the final he comes back in and stirs up this tiny suggestion like it’s the most ludicrous thing in the history of rugby, demanding evidence etc…it’s a bit sad
You not met any 'saders fans before?
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@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game..I'm confused as to whether you're providing evidence it will work....or won't work. Seriously, Foley, Cooper? I don't recall ever seeing them play 12 let alone be a success! There's waaaay better examples...
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@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game..I'm confused as to whether you're providing evidence it will work....or won't work. Seriously, Foley, Cooper? I don't recall ever seeing them play 12 let alone be a success! There's waaaay better examples...
yeah um you don't recall Wright or Melrose do you...or some guy called Jonny Wilkinson...
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@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game..I'm confused as to whether you're providing evidence it will work....or won't work. Seriously, Foley, Cooper? I don't recall ever seeing them play 12 let alone be a success! There's waaaay better examples...
yeah um you don't recall Wright or Melrose do you...or some guy called Jonny Wilkinson...
Johnny Wilkinson, what a HUGE success at 12! Said no one, until now.
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@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game..I'm confused as to whether you're providing evidence it will work....or won't work. Seriously, Foley, Cooper? I don't recall ever seeing them play 12 let alone be a success! There's waaaay better examples...
yeah um you don't recall Wright or Melrose do you...or some guy called Jonny Wilkinson...
Johnny Wilkinson, what a HUGE success at 12! Said no one, until now.
Shifting goalposts again? Nobody said he needed to be a huge success. As I recall he was ok in that position at international level.
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@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game..I'm confused as to whether you're providing evidence it will work....or won't work. Seriously, Foley, Cooper? I don't recall ever seeing them play 12 let alone be a success! There's waaaay better examples...
yeah um you don't recall Wright or Melrose do you...or some guy called Jonny Wilkinson...
Johnny Wilkinson, what a HUGE success at 12! Said no one, until now.
Shifting goalposts again? Nobody said he needed to be a huge success. As I recall he was ok in that position at international level.
Not my goalposts - shark asked for some evidence the move might work. I'd have hoped someone could provide better evidence than guys like Foley and Cooper, or the "ok" JW. Does anyone really have any memory of these guys at 12?
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@bones how about DC, was pretty good at 12 for the ABs from memory
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@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones how about DC, was pretty good at 12 for the ABs from memory
Maybe marginally better than Foley/Cooper eh! Was first selected for the AB's at 12 I thought...
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@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones how about DC, was pretty good at 12 for the ABs from memory
Maybe marginally better than Foley/Cooper eh! Was first selected for the AB's at 12 I thought...
I think so but always thought it was accepted he was a 10 playing 12 because it was needed etc
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@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@bones said in Highlanders 2021:
@nostrildamus said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark said in Highlanders 2021:
@kiwiwomble said in Highlanders 2021:
@shark I just don’t know why you care so much about some pretty off the cuff speculation by highlanders/Otago fans in the highlanders thread, you say your not offended by the idea but you keep coming back saying you want us to justify why we briefly mentioned it…it’s weird dude
Move on, i know you don’t have a final to chat about but surely the crusaders thread isn’t that dead you need to crusade (pun intended) here
I'm not offended. I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.
10s to 12
Wilkinson (but he may have been a 12 at school), To'omua, Bernard Foley, Farrell, Ken Wright, Tony Melrose, Quade Cooper!
And Larkham moved from 15 to 10 to 12 *but we won't mention that game..I'm confused as to whether you're providing evidence it will work....or won't work. Seriously, Foley, Cooper? I don't recall ever seeing them play 12 let alone be a success! There's waaaay better examples...
yeah um you don't recall Wright or Melrose do you...or some guy called Jonny Wilkinson...
Johnny Wilkinson, what a HUGE success at 12! Said no one, until now.
Shifting goalposts again? Nobody said he needed to be a huge success. As I recall he was ok in that position at the international level.
Not my goalposts - shark asked for some evidence the move might work. I'd have hoped someone could provide better evidence than guys like Foley and Cooper, or the "ok" JW. Does anyone really have any memory of these guys at 12?
ACTUALLY HE SAID
I'd just like you learned fellows to provide some form of evidence that the move might work.AT SR LEVEL.
Never asked for "a HUGE success"...Then you try to pick on the weakest options I offer rather than the strong ones. Tom Taylor did alright at 12. Carter played at 12 but I believe was really a 10 and somewhere I think I read he started at halfback. SBW moved to 12 from 6. Farrell played at 12 at times. Wilkinson played at 12 after retiring from international rugby, I believe, and if he wasn't the player he was, well he wasn't physically the player he was.
I think all could manage to play 12 in their prime for the Highlanders.
And then there is one Stephen Rex Donald..not far off the physical dimensions of the player in question.
So good, they might make a film about him or even name a rugby park after him.. Oh yeah, they have..So could they make an ok 12 for the Highlanders, in their prime? I reckon some of them prove it is possible.
