Chiefs v Crusaders
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@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones when have I steered you wrong?
In this thread!
@No-Quarter yeah I posted up the law. Refs ruling it like forward pass when it's different.
Sorry I missed that. Yup amateur hour.
Crusaders too good in the end, but that kind of decision is similar to what drives people crazy when it happens to their team against the ABs. You just can't afford really basic mistakes like that going against you if you want to have a chance, especially when it directly leads to a try.
Also brings into question the supposed intentional knock on by Stevenson. His hand was facing backwards...
No downwards fair call Yc
Any chance you can explain where to find the law about downwards?
palm facing the ground on contact In front of your
body is a knock down not back wards
If he had attempted to knock it upwards to retain
The ball fair enough but he didn’t
So he knocked it downwards so penalty
I suppose it cost the chiefs the game well
no it didn’t
So who caresIgnoring that he attempted to catch and not knock it down - I see you unskilfully avoided answering the question. Show me the law where it's a penalty for knocking the ball down.
Crusaders 32 Chiefs 19
5 tries to 1
Thanks for comingHaha I figured you were talking out your arse.
You would know with you being an expert on Arse talk
Oooh an expert! You charmer you.
Just never stop making up imaginary laws ok, it's hilarious.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
The question is, where is his hand? And I wonder what his wife will say once she sees the pic
Well you obviously know him if you know he's married! His left hand is hidden from view under.... waaaaait a miiinute.... you're Lisa Lewis?
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@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@No-Quarter said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@taniwharugby said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones when have I steered you wrong?
In this thread!
@No-Quarter yeah I posted up the law. Refs ruling it like forward pass when it's different.
Sorry I missed that. Yup amateur hour.
Crusaders too good in the end, but that kind of decision is similar to what drives people crazy when it happens to their team against the ABs. You just can't afford really basic mistakes like that going against you if you want to have a chance, especially when it directly leads to a try.
Also brings into question the supposed intentional knock on by Stevenson. His hand was facing backwards...
No downwards fair call Yc
Any chance you can explain where to find the law about downwards?
palm facing the ground on contact In front of your
body is a knock down not back wards
If he had attempted to knock it upwards to retain
The ball fair enough but he didn’t
So he knocked it downwards so penalty
I suppose it cost the chiefs the game well
no it didn’t
So who caresIgnoring that he attempted to catch and not knock it down - I see you unskilfully avoided answering the question. Show me the law where it's a penalty for knocking the ball down.
Crusaders 32 Chiefs 19
5 tries to 1
Thanks for comingHaha I figured you were talking out your arse.
You would know with you being an expert on Arse talk
Oooh an expert! You charmer you.
Just never stop making up imaginary laws ok, it's hilarious.
As long as it amusing you what more can we ask for
It was a YC game over sorry AT -
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@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris what is AT?
Arse Talk
So sweet. What makes you think I'm offended by the crusaders winning?
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@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Chris what is AT?
Arse Talk
So sweet. What makes you think I'm offended by the crusaders winning?
I don’t think that not at all
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@booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
A couple of things re Reffing decisions.
Absolute blatant howler for the Strange/Reece try. But the big calls for me were kind of split.
Weber should have got a card for the push in the air.
Apply the same logic about knock on/lost forward to the Chief's try and scrutinise that and see if you'd award it.
Stevenson definite YC.
Moaning both ways is appropriate.
Yep. Add to that Cruden coming straight in the side and winning the turnover on the line after the Jordan run and the questionable timing of the Crusaders player cleaning out the halfback when they were hard on attack in the last few minutes. O’thief is way out of his depth.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Security Guard enjoying his work
Im going to need to see another camera angle of this incident to make up my mind.
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@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.Worth re qoting
Where is that from? The official laws just says this:
A knock-on may occur anywhere in the playing area.
It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw or lineout).
A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession.
The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:-A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).
-A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
A throw forward may occur anywhere in the playing area. Sanction: Scrum.
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A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward. Sanction: Penalty.Another problem with this is that even the words “goes forward” could be interpreted different ways.
Goes forward from the point where contact was lost ie. overall motion of the ball is towards the try line or goes forward as a result of the last contact ie. the motion imparted on the ball from the hand, similar to the “backwards out of the hand” thing you see with passes.It would be much clearer if it said something like “if the ball touches the ground or another player in front of the last point of contact from the player in possession”
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
Security Guard enjoying his work
Im going to need to see another camera angle of this incident to make up my mind.
Pretty sure I can see contact with the line.
But slo mo always helps to be sure there's not a hand underneath.
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.Worth re qoting
Where is that from? The official laws just says this:
A knock-on may occur anywhere in the playing area.
It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw or lineout).
A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession.
The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:-A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).
-A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
A throw forward may occur anywhere in the playing area. Sanction: Scrum.
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A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward. Sanction: Penalty.Another problem with this is that even the words “goes forward” could be interpreted different ways.
Goes forward from the point where contact was lost ie. overall motion of the ball is towards the try line or goes forward as a result of the last contact ie. the motion imparted on the ball from the hand, similar to the “backwards out of the hand” thing you see with passes.It would be much clearer if it said something like “if the ball touches the ground or another player in front of the last point of contact from the player in possession”
The definitions section of the laws clarifies.
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@pukunui said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Machpants said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@booboo said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
@Bones said in Chiefs v Crusaders:
A knock-on occurs when a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it.Worth re qoting
Where is that from? The official laws just says this:
A knock-on may occur anywhere in the playing area.
It is a knock-on when a player, in tackling or attempting to tackle an opponent, makes contact with the ball and the ball goes forward. Sanction: Scrum (if the ball goes into touch, the non-offending team may opt instead for a quick-throw or lineout).
A player must not intentionally knock the ball forward with hand or arm. Sanction: Penalty.
It is not an intentional knock-on if, in the act of trying to catch the ball, the player knocks on provided that there was a reasonable expectation that the player could gain possession.
The ball is not knocked-on, and play continues, if:-A player knocks the ball forward immediately after an opponent has kicked it (charge down).
-A player rips or knocks the ball from an opponent and the ball goes forward from the opponent’s hand or arm.
A throw forward may occur anywhere in the playing area. Sanction: Scrum.
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A player must not intentionally throw or pass the ball forward. Sanction: Penalty.Another problem with this is that even the words “goes forward” could be interpreted different ways.
Goes forward from the point where contact was lost ie. overall motion of the ball is towards the try line or goes forward as a result of the last contact ie. the motion imparted on the ball from the hand, similar to the “backwards out of the hand” thing you see with passes.It would be much clearer if it said something like “if the ball touches the ground or another player in front of the last point of contact from the player in possession”
"Knock-on: When a player loses possession of the ball and it goes forward, or when a player hits the ball forward with the hand or arm, or when the ball hits the hand or arm and goes forward, and the ball touches the ground or another player before the original player can catch it."
'Loses possession' defines that we are not talking about a pass, where passing back means hands moving backwards as ball released.
Whereas the reffing team forgot the distinction.
