Crusaders v Blues
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It’s funny but now the dust has settled , looking back the game probably went exactly to script how the majority would have predicted,
The blues Highly competitive for most parts with the crusaders pulling away in the end
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@junior said in Crusaders v Blues:
Telea under the high ball in the 2nd half looked a bit like Sivivatu and Rokocoko in 2009. Saders were able to win easy field position there when the match was in the balance. Ok the back of the charge down and the subsequent kick off was where the match was won IMO. Obvs some of the reffing at the stage could have swung it back to the Blues had it been reffed properly, but you know the refs will give the team on top the benefit of the doubt.
I wondered if Mo'unga would have tried that if they were 8 points down rather than 6?
Just reckon they'd have been that little bit more conservative.
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@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
Eklund had a hell of a game from the bench. If his throwing was a bit better he’d challenge for the 3rd AB hooker spot.
Not sure how Moody didn’t get a yellow. The team was on a warning when he did that
Not only that, but a penalty try is immediately 7 points, so no charged conversion.
Still, sliding doors I guess.
#booboo
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@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
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@sparky said in Crusaders v Blues:
Huge, huge, huge last 20 minutes from the Crusaders to secure their 36th win at home in a row. Mo'unga and Drummond were brilliant in the last quarter. Sam Whitelock's workrate is immense. Bridge was excellent in the air. Razor has developed a wonderful team spirit at the franchise. Only a matter of time until he's given the reins of a Test team.
Lots of learnings for the Blues:
Beauden Barrett should be at 10 or the bench. His signing looks stranger and stranger, if Rangi isn't going to trust him to lead the backline as he did at the Canes.
The Blues celebrated Reiko Ioane's try like they'd won the World Cup. I never like that. Put the ball down. Jog back. Same as Pinetree, JK or Jonah did. The postman doesn't celebrate delivering a letter. Save the high fives for being the team with the most points at the final whistle. The Blues' premature jubilation invited a response and boy did it come.
Mark Telea needs to work on his high ball work.
Not convinced by the Blues' half backs.
Title not over, but it's Advantage Crusaders.
I get what you're saying, and they over did it, but you should celebrate doing something good.
I'm glad our players aren't as dour as the boring 50s, 60s, 70s required NZers to be.
Could have been a winning lead with the extra 2.
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@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@ARHS said in Crusaders v Blues:
Struggling to understand a lot of the rulings at the breakdown and why moody not carded. Crusaders too clinical in the end.
I have doubts the try by Ioane should have been scored,
You could say Talea knocked it on in the air, then Plummer knocked it over the try line .
Or the Crusaders should have got the penalty from the scrum as they were the dominant scrumSome real doubt in my mind it was a try because of the lead up to it.
So it’s all a matter of perspective and who you support.So where do you draw the line about which mistakes you go back to to disregard everything after?
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Bones said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
Ok sort of game so fat
Oh here come the Akira haters again 🙄
Que?
Am Akira fanboi
So fat indeed.
Ash.. missed the auto correct.
D'oh
Ah Fuck it. And again ...
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
It can't be done if most of the best players sign for the best team (as their AB chances are much better). And the next level down quality players bugger of overseas.
NZR need to come up with a (financial) system were the best players are evenly shared out (at present it almost ensures the opposite). Otherwise a new competition will slowly die. Or will never achieve the following it could have if one team wins ever year. This includes Aust (or SA if still included although this model has done its time). Aust can only support 3 teams at most. So 5 EVEN NZ teams and three QUALITY Aussie teams = success. But NZ need to be ruthless (ignore reasons why it can be done. For example Abs might need to move teams as Barrett did) to ensure an even distribution of players. This new competition must be seen as very important rather than just the ABs. And super rugby almost as an irrelevant feeder for the ABs (the current set up).
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@Hooroo said in Crusaders v Blues:
Someone on this board picked Will Jordan at huge odds to be top try scorer and was only worried about amount of game time he would get.
That is looking to be a nice tip
The TAB refunded that bet when Super rugby crashed and that fuckwit didn't get around to renewing it for Super rugby Aotearoa!
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@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
It can't be done if most of the best players sign for the best team (as their AB chances are much better). And the next level down quality players bugger of overseas.
NZR need to come up with a (financial) system were the best players are evenly shared out (at present it almost ensures the opposite). Otherwise a new competition will slowly die. Or will never achieve the following it could have if one team wins ever year. This includes Aust (or SA if still included although this model has done its time). Aust can only support 3 teams at most. So 5 EVEN NZ teams and three QUALITY Aussie teams = success. But NZ need to be ruthless (ignore reasons why it can be done. For example Abs might need to move teams as Barrett did) to ensure an even distribution of players. This new competition must be seen as very important rather than just the ABs. And super rugby almost as an irrelevant feeder for the ABs (the current set up).
Hahaha wtf! So who are all these “most of the best”
Players who the Crusaders have been signing up?
That is just straight up bullshit.I would argue that the Crusaders only have a handful of players you could consider as “best” in NZ in their positions.
Moody
Whitelock
GoodhueThen a handful of “up there but not clearly number 1”
Taylor
Mounga
Reece
Bridge
HaviliTheir dominance has nothing to do with signing most of the best players, as you put it.
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@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@ARHS said in Crusaders v Blues:
Struggling to understand a lot of the rulings at the breakdown and why moody not carded. Crusaders too clinical in the end.
I have doubts the try by Ioane should have been scored,
You could say Talea knocked it on in the air, then Plummer knocked it over the try line .
Or the Crusaders should have got the penalty from the scrum as they were the dominant scrumSome real doubt in my mind it was a try because of the lead up to it.
So it’s all a matter of perspective and who you support.So where do you draw the line about which mistakes you go back to to disregard everything after?
Wherever you feel it is correct
In the end bitching about a yellow card that didn’t happen is the sort of things that does not help your team beat the Crusaders looking at what you didn’t do well maybe will.
That’s why teams don’t beat the Crusaders in the big games.
They always feel robbed not beaten by a better team,the Chiefs at the moment are a case in point they bring up in the media they were robbed every game. -
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
Moody should be in the bin
Try shouldn’t wipe that out
Agreed. Thought he should have immediately awarded the penalty try.
At least Otere wouldn't have been charged down ...
Im a bit surprised by all the calls for an automatic yellow and penalty try.
This wasn’t the same as last week where the player was flying towards the line and was only stopped by an offside player tackling them. He tapped it and immediately collided with moody.Yellow card sure if you are being strict and there had been a string of penalties. But a penalty is a step too far for me.
Regardless it should never have got to that point after the ref/tmo shit show in awarding the scrum to the Blues despite plummer clearly knocking it on.
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@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
It can't be done if most of the best players sign for the best team (as their AB chances are much better). And the next level down quality players bugger of overseas.
NZR need to come up with a (financial) system were the best players are evenly shared out (at present it almost ensures the opposite). Otherwise a new competition will slowly die. Or will never achieve the following it could have if one team wins ever year. This includes Aust (or SA if still included although this model has done its time). Aust can only support 3 teams at most. So 5 EVEN NZ teams and three QUALITY Aussie teams = success. But NZ need to be ruthless (ignore reasons why it can be done. For example Abs might need to move teams as Barrett did) to ensure an even distribution of players. This new competition must be seen as very important rather than just the ABs. And super rugby almost as an irrelevant feeder for the ABs (the current set up).
Hahaha wtf! So who are all these “most of the best”
Players who the Crusaders have been signing up?
That is just straight up bullshit.I would argue that the Crusaders only have a handful of players you could consider as “best” in NZ in their positions.
Moody
Whitelock
GoodhueThen a handful of “up there but not clearly number 1”
Taylor
Mounga
Reece
Bridge
HaviliTheir dominance has nothing to do with signing most of the best players, as you put it.
Example. The Crusaders tried to sign Jones and Jordie Barrett. They did sign Goodhue and Ennor. A (financial) system should make this almost impossible where the strongest team can grab all the best young players. These top players make a big difference to a team. As Jordie does for the Canes,
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@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Winger said in Crusaders v Blues:
@KiwiMurph said in Crusaders v Blues:
Beauden was rubbish. One of the worst games i've ever seen him play. He gave away 2 soft penalties - he kicked out on the full - he put in a shit kick before halftime. He was pants. He also looks like he has seriously lost his pace.
He was brilliant about 4-5 years back and before then. But hes been going slowly downhill since. But still good but not great.
I hoped the Blues coaches would get him moving back towards great again. But so far hes moving in the opposite direction. Maybe his time is up. Or the Blues move was a big mistake. Or hes not really a FB.
I'm bored with the Crusaders winning year after year so disappointed with this result. The only team that might have challenged is so far behind now the title is decided after 4 games
So the other teams have got to get better
It can't be done if most of the best players sign for the best team (as their AB chances are much better). And the next level down quality players bugger of overseas.
NZR need to come up with a (financial) system were the best players are evenly shared out (at present it almost ensures the opposite). Otherwise a new competition will slowly die. Or will never achieve the following it could have if one team wins ever year. This includes Aust (or SA if still included although this model has done its time). Aust can only support 3 teams at most. So 5 EVEN NZ teams and three QUALITY Aussie teams = success. But NZ need to be ruthless (ignore reasons why it can be done. For example Abs might need to move teams as Barrett did) to ensure an even distribution of players. This new competition must be seen as very important rather than just the ABs. And super rugby almost as an irrelevant feeder for the ABs (the current set up).
Hahaha wtf! So who are all these “most of the best”
Players who the Crusaders have been signing up?
That is just straight up bullshit.I would argue that the Crusaders only have a handful of players you could consider as “best” in NZ in their positions.
Moody
Whitelock
GoodhueThen a handful of “up there but not clearly number 1”
Taylor
Mounga
Reece
Bridge
HaviliTheir dominance has nothing to do with signing most of the best players, as you put it.
Example. The Crusaders tried to sign Jones and Jordie Barrett. They did sign Goodhue and Ennor. A (financial) system should make this almost impossible where the strongest team can grab all the best young players. These top players make a big difference to a team. As Jordie does for the Canes,
Blues Signed BB,Canes signed Lomax teams chase who they need.Chiefs signed ALB,Mckenzie and Retalick who were all in the Canterbury system 2 of them born there.
Its another point of looking for excuses than getting better.
Another point the Crusaders developed Ennor Canterbury was his first Province it was Jordies too but he went to the Canes. -
@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
Yellow card sure if you are being strict and there had been a string of penalties. But a penalty is a step too far for me.
Not sure about a penalty try. Probably not, I think there were other defenders.. haven’t checked
That’s an obvious yellow card though. Even if it was in the first minute of the game, it was so cynical.
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@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Chris said in Crusaders v Blues:
@ARHS said in Crusaders v Blues:
Struggling to understand a lot of the rulings at the breakdown and why moody not carded. Crusaders too clinical in the end.
I have doubts the try by Ioane should have been scored,
You could say Talea knocked it on in the air, then Plummer knocked it over the try line .
Or the Crusaders should have got the penalty from the scrum as they were the dominant scrumSome real doubt in my mind it was a try because of the lead up to it.
So it’s all a matter of perspective and who you support.So where do you draw the line about which mistakes you go back to to disregard everything after?
Wherever you feel it is correct
In the end bitching about a yellow card that didn’t happen is the sort of things that does not help your team beat the Crusaders looking at what you didn’t do well maybe will.
That’s why teams don’t beat the Crusaders in the big games.
They always feel robbed not beaten by a better team,the Chiefs at the moment are a case in point they bring up in the media they were robbed every game.Nothing we do will help any team. We're just random blokes on the net.
But the forgiving an incorrect decision because of an earlier (possible) incorrect decision is illogical
And who is the Chiefs' coach again?
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@pukunui said in Crusaders v Blues:
@booboo said in Crusaders v Blues:
@Duluth said in Crusaders v Blues:
Moody should be in the bin
Try shouldn’t wipe that out
Agreed. Thought he should have immediately awarded the penalty try.
At least Otere wouldn't have been charged down ...
Im a bit surprised by all the calls for an automatic yellow and penalty try.
This wasn’t the same as last week where the player was flying towards the line and was only stopped by an offside player tackling them. He tapped it and immediately collided with moody.Yellow card sure if you are being strict and there had been a string of penalties. But a penalty is a step too far for me.
Regardless it should never have got to that point after the ref/tmo shit show in awarding the scrum to the Blues despite plummer clearly knocking it on.
How did they fuck that up?"Collided"
