'Super Rugby' 2021
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@Bovidae Taniela Tupou?
By the way, my earlier question was not about past poaches, but a possible increased risk of future poaches. The main culprits are NRL scouts, but if RA wants to widen the net and catch more Kiwi players, I think asking the question is justified.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
She said near every kid was actually born in Australia"
The Black blood runs deep.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@KiwiMurph Convincing New Zealand to sanction its players playing in Australia will be a tough ask, but NZR is already funnelling players to Japan as a way of coping with the overseas player drain. It has been happening in an unofficial capacity for a number of years, with the likes of Taniela Tupou, Pete Samu and Sekope Kepu moving to Australia in search of opportunities.
So where's the benefit?
Isn't that the point?
The current crappy unofficial system means only non-nation tied players willing to flip nations move between the two.
So, there's no benefit to either.
Even the ARU having Pete Samu's wages paid by Crusaders and Ta$man for 3 or 4 years was of no use until they re-incorporated him into their own contracting system.
Daniel Braid playing for Queensland was of no use to the AB management.
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@taniwharugby said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@akan004 he'd be waaaaay better by now if he stayed here, cos, you know, NZ
True. If anything, his development has probably been accelerated as a result of moving to Australia. They tend to chuck more young players into their SR teams than we do due to having less depth. I think he would have had to wait a tad longer over here to play SR.
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
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@Machpants said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
As long as they only get our left overs, I'm fine with it.
Until we need 20 replacements in a season and have to use guys dramatically out of their depth.
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@Bovidae said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'm curious which Australian schoolboys have been poached by NZ.
Tiaan Tauakipulu went from NZ to Aust late last year.
The Crusaders recruited a lock and a 10 a couple of years ago, and it warranted a thread.
Parata is playing for Ta$man and has a Maori surname so is probably more of a liberated schoolboy. The lock - who's name escapes me and who returned fairly quickly - was a genuine Ocker I think.
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@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
Yeah. But only if the current central contracting policies of the 2 unions remain as they are in respect to each other.
If Kepu, Toby Smith , Mike Harris, or even Jason Woodward move but have to commit to Oz as part if their contracts. It is erosion of depth.
If Jordie Barrett moves to Reds, gets a pay rise, but is still NZ available for NZ then there is benefit.
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
Yeah. But only if the current central contracting policies of the 2 unions remain as they are in respect to each other.
If Kepu, Toby Smith , Mike Harris, or even Jason Woodward move but have to commit to Oz as part if their contracts. It is erosion of depth.
If Jordie Barrett moves to Reds, gets a pay rise, but is still NZ available for NZ then there is benefit.
If Jordie moved to the Reds does anyone really believe he'd get selected for the All Blacks?
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@antipodean yes?
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@antipodean why not? (though i wouldnt pick him, regardless. Most overrated bloke).
The draft idea seems dumb because it'll just drive players who dont like their draft pick to go to Japan or Europe. But opening up selection a bit might help a tiny bit.
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@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Rapido said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
So, there's no benefit to either.
I see it differently: An erosion of depth from one to bolster another.
Yeah. But only if the current central contracting policies of the 2 unions remain as they are in respect to each other.
If Kepu, Toby Smith , Mike Harris, or even Jason Woodward move but have to commit to Oz as part if their contracts. It is erosion of depth.
If Jordie Barrett moves to Reds, gets a pay rise, but is still NZ available for NZ then there is benefit.
Totally agree. And this model takes pressure off the NZRFU who can offload a segment of the player's pay. It'd need to be managed carefully though.
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@Derpus said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@antipodean why not? (though i wouldnt pick him, regardless. Most overrated bloke).
Ignoring that you clearly haven[t watch rugby this year, because the coaching and player welfare isn't within the control of NZR. He wouldn't have an opportunity to play in a NZ derby.
