'Super Rugby' 2021
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@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
It's not quite the same, and I did think about why the NBA is different. It's because star teams, those with realistic chances of winning the title, believe that they can beat any team over 7 games without home court advantage, and are willing to relinquish that advantage to keep their stars healthy.
Would having 6 spots available mean the Blues rest BB for 25% of the season and accept finishing 3rd rather than 2nd? With only 1 game per week, I don't think so. I can't see the product being diluted at all
Anyway, I don't really care too much as I said above, I'm just not offended by the idea.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
i kind of agree with this but conversely, speaking from experience, once your have lost a few games and the season is gone...people also loose interest
thats why i think football has it right with promotion/relegation...give you something to play for without watering down the finals
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
i kind of agree with this but conversely, speaking from experience, once your have lost a few games and the season is gone...people also loose interest
thats why i think football has it right with promotion/relegation...give you something to play for without watering down the finals
hey, let's have everyone play finals! that way, everyone is engaged for as long as possible!
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I don't think the extended playoffs worked that well.
I remember when the Blues last made the playoffs (I can't believe I remember that far back!) it was a 6 team playoff format in 2011 so Blues played a home playoff v Tahs first round and attracted bugger all fans to the game. The real finals began the next weekend (semi finals).
Similarly I can remember the Crusaders and Brumbies struggling to attract crowds to home quarterfinals in recent years.
with just 10 teams you just need semi finals.
One of the big issues with recent finals/semi finals has been the travel - teams travelling to/from RSA/Argie one weekend to the next.
Without the travel issues I don't there is a need for byes in the playoffs.
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@mariner4life i was agreeing with you point about not having everyone playing finals, i said just before a ten team comp should only have 4 finalists
i was just adding the promotion/relegation is a good way to keep people engaged in the rest of the comp
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life i was agreeing with you point about not having everyone playing finals, i said just before a ten team comp should only have 4 finalists
i was just adding the promotion/relegation is a good way to keep people engaged in the rest of the comp
which can't work in the proposed format
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@mariner4life i know, was just another thought from other comps
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That's a big concern
To set up a PI based team in the context of Post Covid environment is brutal Moreseo when the quality of NZ teams is so high
Unless there were exceptions such as higher salary cap & other inducements, PI team would be on a hiding to nothing
Below story is an ominous example of challenges that lay ahead
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"They had mentioned in their announcement four relationships: one with the Hawaii Tourism Authority who's never heard of them; the Stadium Authority, never talked to them; the University of Hawaii which denied them their practice facilities; and for Hawaiian Airlines they said they had a sponsorship agreement. Hawaiian Airlines has no sponsorship agreement with these folks," Wakai said.
will be interesting if they have a reply to these points
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The main argument in favour of a six team finals is gate revenue. In Super 18, teams were desperate for that additional week so they could have another cash hit, given most teams were losing money at a rapid rate.
Now if the TT comp is better supported, has lower travel costs and more regular home games then I wouldn't think that extra week is needed any more.
So they could go a 5 or 4 team finals and everyone would be happy.
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@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@voodoo said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@mariner4life said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
@shark said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I'd be disgusted if the fifth and sixth placed teams in a ten team comp made the finals.
Absolutely this!
Why would you care? In the hypocritical case that the Blues say came 3rd [amended] , and they then had a home playoff QF against the 6th finishing Reds, that should just be extra revenue for them. If they can't get up against them at home then that's their issue.
because regular season games start to mean fuck all when there is less on the line. That 6th team is likely to have a losing record, and yet is a possibility to win the comp
why do i gt invested in the regular season?
It's along the same lines as the criticism the NBA is facing at the moment.
It's what makes the NFL so fucking good. There is only 16 games, and if you fuck up a couple, you are gone. 12 of 32 teams make play offs. College Football is a bit the same. 4 teams out of approximately 47,000 make the finals.
i kind of agree with this but conversely, speaking from experience, once your have lost a few games and the season is gone...people also loose interest
thats why i think football has it right with promotion/relegation...give you something to play for without watering down the finals
hey, let's have everyone play finals! that way, everyone is engaged for as long as possible!
Quarter finals, meaning only two teams aren't engaged, makes it ridiculous.
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
"They had mentioned in their announcement four relationships: one with the Hawaii Tourism Authority who's never heard of them; the Stadium Authority, never talked to them; the University of Hawaii which denied them their practice facilities; and for Hawaiian Airlines they said they had a sponsorship agreement. Hawaiian Airlines has no sponsorship agreement with these folks," Wakai said.
will be interesting if they have a reply to these points
Don't you hate it when someone calls you on your marketing bullshit halfway through the presentation?
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@Kiwiwomble said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
"They had mentioned in their announcement four relationships: one with the Hawaii Tourism Authority who's never heard of them; the Stadium Authority, never talked to them; the University of Hawaii which denied them their practice facilities; and for Hawaiian Airlines they said they had a sponsorship agreement. Hawaiian Airlines has no sponsorship agreement with these folks," Wakai said.
will be interesting if they have a reply to these points
"Kanaloa Hawai’i has already appointed Mick Byrne and Tamati Ellison to coach its team in Hawai’i, and Atiga said criticism from Hawaiian senator Glenn Wakai about the franchise had been dealt with behind closed doors, resulting in an apology from the politician.
Atiga also said there would be a completely separate staffing structure for Super Rugby, while players would come from four sources: existing players in New Zealand on the cusp of Blues selection, players from the Pacific Islands, current Super Rugby players with Pacific Island heritage, and some international players.
“We want to bring those (PI) players into our team, and that doesn't exclude Māori,” Atiga said.
“And, if we're being completely honest, we need to be make sure that we have at least a couple of international players that are not ruled out by heritage.
“This is New Zealand, and we shouldn’t be putting any provisos around race.”"
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I wonder how a team can be based in NZ but not be subject to NZR's regulations (including rules about eligibility) if they're playing in NZ.
I assume NZR could change its regulations; that would give them some power over what the PI franchise can and cannot do, though.
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Also, from that article:Instead, Atiga said Kanaloa Hawai’i would work closely with the Blues and had no interest in cannibalising the existing franchise.
“We're not going to come into south Auckland and take over anything the Blues have established.”
which seems to be contradicted by
Atiga also said there would be a completely separate staffing structure for Super Rugby, while players would come from four sources: existing players in New Zealand on the cusp of Blues selection, ...
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@Stargazer said in 'Super Rugby' 2021:
I wonder how a team can be based in NZ but not be subject to NZR's regulations (including rules about eligibility) if they're playing in NZ
Um What? NZR want a Pacific team, they can hardly call it that if they decide to treat it as just another NZ team
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