Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@canefan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@rapido said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Imagine dis-inviting people from your wedding!!!
Excruciating. Would hate to be in that position.
If Jacinda manages to wriggle her own wedding in unaffected there will be bridezillas all over NZ collectively losing their shit
She should go all Boris have it anyway, 250 guests flown in from all over the globe, no quarantine.
Then claim it was a work event.
Honestly, she's so amatuer.
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'll say this now as a prediction.
In New Zealand, traffic lights are suddenly going to have a 4th light. That's above the red light.
I have $100 bet with my wife on basically a red+
Laid out all the steps on the 5th of Jan, and the government has done each one so far. Their mismanagement is comically predictable
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'll say this now as a prediction.
In New Zealand, traffic lights are suddenly going to have a 4th light. That's above the red light.
I have $100 bet with my wife on basically a red+
Laid out all the steps on the 5th of Jan, and the government has done each one so far. Their mismanagement is comically predictable
Was talking to a doctor mate. All these stalling tactics but to what end? Sure some kids and boosters will get done. But the longer they try to delay the more strain will come on in the depths of winter when hospitals are typically very busy anyway
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@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial 160+ guests.
I sympathise that she can't have what she wants on her big day but tbf she was taking a risk in her planning by going over the possible limit.
It's like people getting stuck overseas when travelling for non essential reasons. The risk was known and well spelled out. The result is shit though.I have a workmate also doing a wedding in a few weeks. It is planned to the Nth degree and she deliberately kept numbers down and let guests know they couldn't attend if un-vaxxed.
She took the approach of wanting certainty and avoiding last minute disappointment and stress.Yep, shit choices to have to make but they are choices.
Heavy on the assumptions aren’t you? Young women plan their weddings for years. When my friend started planning her wedding, way prior to Covid lockdowns being a thing, 160 guests wasn’t controversial. She went ahead with this date based on the mistaken assumption that when the government said vaccination was the way out they wouldn’t keep moving the fucking goalposts.
Everyone on the guest list has done absolutely everything asked of us but the government hasn’t. Clearly they don’t have a plan that captures all the pieces that need to be in place before we can do normal things like having 160 person weddings. You know, like vaccinations reaching a threshold, hospitals having sufficient capacity, MIQ being up to standard, appropriate testing being in place. Instead we’re apparently just supposed to accept that those days are gone. When did that happen?
Frankly it’s hilarious that your expectations are so high of her planning responsibilities when you completely absolve the government from having any need to do the same.
Talk about muddying the waters on a simple observation.
Is it really unreasonable to comment that we know we live in an unpredictable crappy situation at the moment and have done for nearly two years. The rules on gatherings under the levels system didn't change and nor have they under the traffic lights. If she continued to plan for 160 on the hope that we would be either level 1, Orange or Green, or have waved Covid goodbye that was a risk she was obviously willing to take.
I gave an example of someone in the same situation who decided not to take the risk and will be going ahead under Red without disappointment.
It was an observation on the personal choice. Not one I would have taken or encouraged someone too.
My son and partner have put theirs on ice until they see a clear path from the govt rather than forge ahead anyway and blame others.
According to this thread it is plainly obvious that the govt can't/won't lay out clear future shifts that they will stick with. Surely you just work with that knowledge rather than against it?Yes, it’s unreasonable. We were having a discussion about how shit it is that people with longstanding plans have had them put in jeopardy with an impending move to Red, especially the embarrassment of having to choose who to cull. Whether or not the alert system or lockdowns or whatever changed, the fact that 160 needs to change to 100 is an embarrassing situation.
You jumped in with “shoulda known better”. Well she didn’t. And she shouldn’t have to be trying to anticipate the motivations of a bunch of incompetents who deploy slogans instead of ability.
Point was that there was no anticipation needed (not for the last two years anyway) If you can’t see that we’ll obviously disagree.
And I’m saying she sent out her “save the date” cards, which are a thing now, 2 years ago. She’s been planning her wedding that long. Ever since then any reduction in numbers would mean disinviting someone, which is fraught with problems. And tell me precisely when the earliest date was when she knew that target number of people to be culled was 60 rather than 40 or 80? That would be when the traffic light system was put in place wouldn’t it? The fact is she STILL doesn’t know. But you know that, you’re just doubling down on a boneheaded remark.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
I'll say this now as a prediction.
In New Zealand, traffic lights are suddenly going to have a 4th light. That's above the red light.
I have $100 bet with my wife on basically a red+
Laid out all the steps on the 5th of Jan, and the government has done each one so far. Their mismanagement is comically predictable
Only 100? If she wants to bet bigger happy to go against … I’ll even give favorable odds!!
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its probably still far enough out from the next election for them to start worrying about sticking to thier word...I fully expect regional lockdowns at least though, although not sure how compliant Auckland will be given they will likely be the region first to fall to moronic!
I guess the only thing in our favour, with our pro-active govt. is that we have been able to largely sit back and watch the pandemic unfold around the world and set in motion well laid out plans for how we will respond to keep our country moving and our people safe...
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Once in New Zealand, the post said “just go through immigration and enter NZ. It’s illegal for them to deny you entry as you are a NZ citizen. Even if you don’t have an MIQ voucher they have to let you in. I guess they would scramble and find you a place in MIQ. And I guess in theory they couldn’t make you pay for it as you never applied for it”.
The post speculated that if enough people did this, New Zealand authorities would have to let them self-isolate.
Arran Hunt, a partner with Auckland law firm Stace Hammond, said he had “a little bit of respect” for whoever came up with the idea “as it is an intriguing way for Kiwis stuck offshore to find a way into New Zealand”. -
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Once in New Zealand, the post said “just go through immigration and enter NZ. It’s illegal for them to deny you entry as you are a NZ citizen. Even if you don’t have an MIQ voucher they have to let you in. I guess they would scramble and find you a place in MIQ. And I guess in theory they couldn’t make you pay for it as you never applied for it”.
The post speculated that if enough people did this, New Zealand authorities would have to let them self-isolate.
Arran Hunt, a partner with Auckland law firm Stace Hammond, said he had “a little bit of respect” for whoever came up with the idea “as it is an intriguing way for Kiwis stuck offshore to find a way into New Zealand”.Doesn't work like that and any lawyer telling you otherwise is looking to drum up business for themselves. The only 'right' is in the Bill of Rights' which has an overarching clause that gives the govt the ability to over-ride it . Even the group doing the group action for kiwis overseas recognises that and isn't contesting that aspect. Their argument is that the MBIE 'rules' and lottery are illegal.
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Observation today:
I read a few daily rags and look at more for headlines.
Meatloaf is a big story today. Lots of obituaries, stories, tributes, memories - all you’d expect when an icon passes.
The herald? MEATLOAF DIES FROM COVID.
Which has now doubled down to:
These guys should be in jail for project fear.
Unfortunately they are more likely to win an award.
Which will be presented by Ardern.
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One of our most 'famous' experts...Wiles & Baker have gone from science nerds to 2 of the most visible/quoted 'experts' since 2020!
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"One of the really unfortunate things is that the privileged people will be able to change their behaviour," Wiles said.
"Those who still have to go to work in risky environments will bear the brunt of the infection."
@Crucial out of curiosity, should anyone attempt that, what do they then do? Deport them from NZ? Make them pay for an MIQ spot?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
One of our most 'famous' experts...Wiles & Baker have gone from science nerds to 2 of the most visible/quoted 'experts' since 2020!
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"One of the really unfortunate things is that the privileged people will be able to change their behaviour," Wiles said.
"Those who still have to go to work in risky environments will bear the brunt of the infection."
@Crucial out of curiosity, should anyone attempt that, what do they then do? Deport them from NZ? Make them pay for an MIQ spot?
Not sure. It would be worth seeing.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
out of curiosity, should anyone attempt that, what do they then do? Deport them from NZ? Make them pay for an MIQ spot?
It'd be interesting to see what happens. I don't see how they could force them back on to a plane.
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Here the govt is talking of getting rid of the Covid pass by the end of February. This despite 30000 cases a day. Why? Because unless you’re old and unvaccinated the virus, omicron variant, is a bit of a damp squib. Kiwis are being sold a crock of shît.
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@billy-tell well here they are practically telling people to panic buy, get our and get your pandemic pack ready for when you have tonstay home for 14 days.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@billy-tell well here they are practically telling people to panic buy, get our and get your pandemic pack ready for when you have tonstay home for 14 days.
It's so irresponsible, people are gutting the local supermarket in panic. The 14 day home isolation rule will end when they realise that keeping essential services open isn't possible. A work colleague's relative tested positive for omicron while in MIQ and had a sniffle for a couple of days. How about we just stay at home until we are asymptomatic?
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@voodoo cos Be Kind!
I smirked but can't upvote that