Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
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Yeah.
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@booboo As infuriating as that Goudie moron is, isn't it interesting how the Murupara kaumatua who say pretty much the same thing as her get treated with respect for their views instead of getting the same derision we see in that article? Maybe if they called these people out - all of them - as out of their depth idiots we might get somewhere.
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Can anyone explain this 10% hospitalisation rate in NZ btw I hear about?
That seems insanely high to me and (without checking) way higher than global norms, even without taking into account the impact of vaccines.
Something seems wrong there, or maybe a hugely cautious approach on hospitalisations which won't be sustainable long-term?
Genuinely curious.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p 10% hospitalisation rate of unvaccinated is about right from what little research I have done. When it was first touted I did look into it enough to find it credible but can't remember where I looked sorry
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The UK winter (late 2020- early 2021) peaked at rolling 7-day avg of circa 60,000 cases a day.
Hospital admissions peaked at 4,000 a day.
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?Edit: my source is official UK government stats: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
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Yeah.
Have you gone through the application process? I am struggling to find any definition of 'essential' or a list however this is listed as a 'type of travel'
Worker commute
Businesses or organisations undertaking services that have either: key staff critical to operations who will need to commute to work across a boundary; or a significant portion of workers are required to commute across a boundary in order to ensure minimum staff are available for operations.Pretty sure that I heard it mentioned that construction was a criteria for application but could be wrong.
Not trying to teach you to suck eggs just aware that the process seems confusing and maybe there is a solution that is 'hiding'. You didn't mention applying for travel documents.
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Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I just pay them. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due? -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.
They could join a gang?
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.
Earth moving companies are usually like an internal pyramid scheme constantly leveraging one job and asset off another to get more machinery to do more jobs to finance the existing ones......
Good luck with the drivers.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
isn't it interesting how the Murupara kaumatua who say pretty much the same thing as her get treated with respect for their views instead of getting the same derision we see in that article
tut tut - That would be racist.
And do remember, in this country, Maori science is on the same level as Western science. I know that 'cos a bunch of academics said so. -
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?yeah thats my hope that as our vaccination rates are probably higher than most other nations when Delta hit, it shouldnt be as much of a burden on our health system as it leaks into our communities, especially as we head into summer.
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@booboo said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@jc Since found out, apparently all 8 are in Whangarei
@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Thought they would be. As I understand it one of the issues with ICU beds is having trained staff.
They'd have to group them all together as they can't really have multiple crews looking after 2 beds in a "remote" hospital that may not be occupied.
I know nothing but I'm sort of guessing you would need at least 3.5 crews to cover an ICU unit based on 3 x 8 hour shifts, and is it 1 nurse per bed?
Easier if they're all in one place.
IIRC both parents were transferred to Whangarei from Laura is (and onwards as necessary) even as far back as the early 90s, even when Kaitaia was a much more resourced hospital.
All this written in the great Fern tradition of ignorance and conjecture.
Correct, ICU best practice is 1 nurse per patient/bed at all times. To allow for leave etc, a typical figure is usually 5-6 nurses per bed. There is also the High Dependency Unit (HDU - this is also included in the press releases) as kind of a halfway house between standard hospital wards and ICU, and the ratio there is about 1 nurse to 2-3 patients/beds, so increasing that is also part of the picture (probably at least as relevant as ICU).
One of the reporting issues on how many beds there are is that it's dependent on staffing being available, so DHB reports to the Ministry of Health are how many beds were available and used (occupancy) on a given day/week, not actually how many physical beds they have, since a bed that can't be staffed isn't much use.
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@taniwharugby said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?yeah thats my hope that as our vaccination rates are probably higher than most other nations when Delta hit, it shouldnt be as much of a burden on our health system as it leaks into our communities, especially as we head into summer.
Right, but it's still a significant risk for elderly/at risk groups groups. I've attached the latest UK official Public Health comparative numbers ... btw "emergency care" is an UK admissions pipeline, it does not imply ICU at all.
UK admissions will be impacted (i.e. increased) by waning vaccination immunity after 4-6 months in the oldest groups, hence the booster program on offer ...