Coronavirus - New Zealand
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@majorrage said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
You guys seen the Truman show?
Remember the scene where he goes to the travel agent and the crashing plane is on the wall?
Well here’s today’s herald. See the first story …. Then see the second. Heads up, rising cases here is a) expected and b) not one of the top 5 news stories here.
You guys are being manipulated by Cindy and her mouthpiece, the herald. Absolutely no way should that story be number 2 on the herald. No way. The article itself is completely free of context and is full of inaccurate bullshit.
The term "expert" gets thrown around with abandon when it comes to covid. The one thing I can consistently count on is their prognostications are wrong.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@majorrage doh - The Herald ...
source: Bloomberg https://www.bloomberg.com/graphics/covid-vaccine-tracker-global-distribution/
That's great global context, I just checked Our World In Data and ... it parallels
France have done amazingly well as they have (had) high percentages resistant to vaccines.
From a quick calculation, UK can push up to about 70% at most with the program to vaccinate 12-15 years olds, not much more I feel.
Anything above 70% of total population in a Western democracy seems good. 75% excellent. Portugal is fricken amazing tbh, they must have found some way to administer it in the vino ...
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
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@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
downvote
Yeah.
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@booboo As infuriating as that Goudie moron is, isn't it interesting how the Murupara kaumatua who say pretty much the same thing as her get treated with respect for their views instead of getting the same derision we see in that article? Maybe if they called these people out - all of them - as out of their depth idiots we might get somewhere.
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Can anyone explain this 10% hospitalisation rate in NZ btw I hear about?
That seems insanely high to me and (without checking) way higher than global norms, even without taking into account the impact of vaccines.
Something seems wrong there, or maybe a hugely cautious approach on hospitalisations which won't be sustainable long-term?
Genuinely curious.
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@dogmeat said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@l_n_p 10% hospitalisation rate of unvaccinated is about right from what little research I have done. When it was first touted I did look into it enough to find it credible but can't remember where I looked sorry
Fair enough, I had a look and was surprised -
The UK winter (late 2020- early 2021) peaked at rolling 7-day avg of circa 60,000 cases a day.
Hospital admissions peaked at 4,000 a day.
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?Edit: my source is official UK government stats: https://coronavirus.data.gov.uk/
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@kirwan said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
These boundaries are fucking stupid. I've had two ten tonne diggers sitting on my property doing nothing for over a week. I can see where the drivers live from my place but they aren't allowed to come and work. Father and son team who will be in contact with no one, both double jabbed.
A team of builders who can't do a thing because the piles aren't in place.
Materials to build all sorted. Just the fucking stupid boundary that is making it all go wrong. Idiotic government. They are supposed to be essential workers but can't come and and work on an 11 hectare property within their own bubble? All they see is some alpacas, ducks, geese, and chooks but they aren't allowed over over some imaginary line that the powers that be think covid won't cross. It's just so stupid it defies belief.
I won't tell if you won't. Can they just ignore it?
I have asked but they got stopped and sent back. So the whole exemption thing now.
downvote
Yeah.
Have you gone through the application process? I am struggling to find any definition of 'essential' or a list however this is listed as a 'type of travel'
Worker commute
Businesses or organisations undertaking services that have either: key staff critical to operations who will need to commute to work across a boundary; or a significant portion of workers are required to commute across a boundary in order to ensure minimum staff are available for operations.Pretty sure that I heard it mentioned that construction was a criteria for application but could be wrong.
Not trying to teach you to suck eggs just aware that the process seems confusing and maybe there is a solution that is 'hiding'. You didn't mention applying for travel documents.
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Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I just pay them. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due? -
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.
They could join a gang?
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@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@crucial said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
@snowy said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
Get your point, but the company that does the work should be applying. Not me. I believe that they are trying. They have quarter of a million dollars of machinery doing nothing. Should be some incentive. Doesn't change the fact that the boundaries are fucking stupid.
Yep, they have to make the application. Hope for your sake that they are doing a good job of it because as far as I can tell they should be able to get the paperwork if they really want to.
As for the boundaries. In your situation absolutely stupid. But like most rules if you want them to be uncomplicated they are often a catch all.
Hope your digger operators feel that they have enough incentive to get the paperwork and get through for you. Maybe when their next loan payments are due?I doubt this company has debt. I don't employ that sort of people but they do seem to be short staffed because the government won't let people across imaginary lines.
Earth moving companies are usually like an internal pyramid scheme constantly leveraging one job and asset off another to get more machinery to do more jobs to finance the existing ones......
Good luck with the drivers.
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@jc said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
isn't it interesting how the Murupara kaumatua who say pretty much the same thing as her get treated with respect for their views instead of getting the same derision we see in that article
tut tut - That would be racist.
And do remember, in this country, Maori science is on the same level as Western science. I know that 'cos a bunch of academics said so. -
@l_n_p said in Coronavirus - New Zealand:
At this stage no-one was vaccinated (in effect).
UK testing was pretty good by then so 6.7% hospital admissions of unvaccinated?yeah thats my hope that as our vaccination rates are probably higher than most other nations when Delta hit, it shouldnt be as much of a burden on our health system as it leaks into our communities, especially as we head into summer.