Possible All Blacks 2020
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@booboo said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris-B said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
Ah yes the heat. That the Chiefs didn't play in that evening.
Yes - the conditions are never better suited to one team than another.
Mud, wind, high veldt - always the same for both teams.
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@shark lol did J Barrett cost you a multi or something? From where I'm sitting he has been the form 15 in the competition so far alongside DMac and Havili. Excellent under the high ball, physical in contact and can hoof the ball a mile, add to the fact he is nearly 100% off the boot.
Yes, he makes the odd brain explosion, however, I put that down to age more than anything else.
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Based on season so far (but bound to change) :
- Moody 2. Coles 3. Laulala 4. S. Barrett 5. Tuipulotu 6. Bolshier 7. Cane (c) 8. Sotutu 9. A. Smith 10. R. Mo'unga 11. Reece 12. Goodhue 13. ALB 14. McKenzie. 15. J. Barrett 16 Taylor 17. Moli 18. Lomax 19. Walker- Leawere 20. Papali'i 21.Weber 22. B. Barrett 23. Laumape
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@cgrant said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Chris-B said in Blues v Crusaders:
@Crazy-Horse said in Blues v Crusaders:
- Mo'unga is irreplaceable. He goes down long term the Crusaders are poked. Havili was ok last week, but he isn't a championship winning 10, and we can all see Cameron is not up to it yet.
The Crusaders have only lost three times during Razor's tenure when Mo'unga has played.
To the Canes and to the B&I Lions in 2017.
And to the Chiefs in the Fiji heat last year.
The Crusaders are one thing, the All Blacks another one. RM has yet to show that he is a world class 1st 5/8. He has been playing beyond expectations for the ABs so far.
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12252782
Hansen thinks he is.
I agree with Hansen.
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@sparky said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Based on season so far (but bound to change) :
- Moody 2. Coles 3. Laulala 4. S. Barrett 5. Tuipulotu 6. Bolshier 7. Cane (c) 8. Sotutu 9. A. Smith 10. R. Mo'unga 11. Reece 12. Goodhue 13. ALB 14. McKenzie. 15. J. Barrett 16 Taylor 17. Moli 18. Lomax 19. Walker- Leawere 20. Papali'i 21.Weber 22. B. Barrett 23. Laumape
Beaudy gets a shot but not Sam Whitelock despte no SR this season?
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@Machpants Is Sam W eligible for the Wales and Scotland games? Think we will see him and BB in the squad but not initially as starters.
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I'm thinking Bosh to initially take Todd's backup place in the squad.
What we desperately missed was hard tackling/clearing players in 6 and 8. Read had lost his edge and we didn't have a thumping 6.
If we go Cane and Ardie as interchanging 7/8s depending on field position we need that thumping 6 even more. -
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Maybe one for the kneejerk reaction thread but maybe it is time for Coles to take a step back.
He is still mobile and dynamic but is relying more on his niggly tendencies than being a dominant defender.
If this is a year of introducing talent then maybe the likes of Samisoni Taukei’aho will get a look in. -
@Crucial said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Maybe one for the kneejerk reaction thread but maybe it is time for Coles to take a step back.
He is still mobile and dynamic but is relying more on his niggly tendencies than being a dominant defender.
If this is a year of introducing talent then maybe the likes of Samisoni Taukei’aho will get a look in.I disagree, I don't think we played him enough in the RWC, especially as Taylor wasn't up to his usual standards.
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@Nepia said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Crucial said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Maybe one for the kneejerk reaction thread but maybe it is time for Coles to take a step back.
He is still mobile and dynamic but is relying more on his niggly tendencies than being a dominant defender.
If this is a year of introducing talent then maybe the likes of Samisoni Taukei’aho will get a look in.I disagree, I don't think we played him enough in the RWC, especially as Taylor wasn't up to his usual standards.
Trouble with Coles is that if the game, or his form, isn't going well he reverts to being a liability discipline wise. He was bloody lucky on the weekend to stay on the field after that cheap shot shoulder into a player on the ground. If he had connected with the head (which was quite possible as he had no control) he would have seen red.
He has lost the acceleration that made him so dangerous if a break came his way and I don't see him lasting the full cycle anyway. -
@Crucial said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Nepia said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
@Crucial said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
Maybe one for the kneejerk reaction thread but maybe it is time for Coles to take a step back.
He is still mobile and dynamic but is relying more on his niggly tendencies than being a dominant defender.
If this is a year of introducing talent then maybe the likes of Samisoni Taukei’aho will get a look in.I disagree, I don't think we played him enough in the RWC, especially as Taylor wasn't up to his usual standards.
Trouble with Coles is that if the game, or his form, isn't going well he reverts to being a liability discipline wise. He was bloody lucky on the weekend to stay on the field after that cheap shot shoulder into a player on the ground. If he had connected with the head (which was quite possible as he had no control) he would have seen red.
He has lost the acceleration that made him so dangerous if a break came his way and I don't see him lasting the full cycle anyway.I don't care about the cycle TBH, as long as he's still in our two best all round hookers that's good enough for me ... but he does need to rein in his red mist, needs a stern talking to from Fozzie, but hey a Barrett got a red card last year for the red mist and his place seems pretty safe.
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@Crucial I watched 2019 Bled 2 on the weekend and his cover defence pulling down backs suggests he's still got some speed.
I like Coles because he's talented, skilful and that blend of forward that won't take a backward step.
Players can come into the All Black environment to improve, but starting Tests should go to the best players. He's still clearly one of the top two in the country and come the second half of the year that remains the case, if some bloke with 22 SR caps since 2017 gets a guernsey ahead of him, I'll support a different team.
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@mariner4life said in Possible All Blacks 2020:
J Barrett is still shit. For every good thing he does, there is still something that looks park rugby to accompany it.
B Barrett at 15, DMac in 23 is still most likely
I'd level exactly the same criticism at DMac.
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@No-Quarter of course you would
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@mariner4life he's benefited from not playing at that RWC so never had the chance to do a "hold my beer" to Jordie after his brainfarts.
