2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@kirwan He didn't just threaten Berry - he threatened the credibility of the game as a whole. Should be a life ban.
Life ban is probably a bit extreme, but could get behind 3 years and a massive fine for SA Rugby so they keep their coaches in line.
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@derpus said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Thought this was worth sharing:
It's basically workplace bullying but because it's a sport and WR are a pack of limp dick wet rags there is no recourse for Berry.
I'm surprised they made that public. I will point out his reputation as an international referee has been damaged by other elements than Rassie's idiotic whining...
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@antipodean I don't think the quality of refereeing is particularly great across the board. Berry isn't amazing but he's no worse than any of the others.
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Ok so here is my summary.
- Erasmus comes across as a complete piston wristed gibbon. He tried to gaslight the hearing into believing that he did not "publish" the the video. I won't go into the details but on the totality of the evidence that is clearly bullshit.
He also ends up playing the race card at mitigation stage which is just desperate.
- World rugby is a jokeshop organisation.
We all know teams and refs meet before games and that there are feedback from teams on the performance of referee's performance. What we didn't know was that there is no set protocol managing this process and just some vague conventions.
They leave the poor head referee to kinda wing it with how they interact with teams. In this instance Joel Jutge was way too passive in dealing with the situation as it was unfolding.
The CEO of WR sent a letter (after the video was public) basically saying that yeah teams pressure refs through the media but let's all just be good sports and not take it too far. Imagine being a ref in that structure.
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Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
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@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
Either it is a persecution complex, or his boundaries are drawn in chalk so they can be easily moved when it suits him.
I see this is being made into another instance of anti-SA bias. That WR purposefully left it to several days before playing England. That SA always get the short end of the stick. I know we have some v calm SA posters on here, but there is a growing minority of SA fans that believe the world is against them. Left unchecked, or in this instance inflamed by Erasmus to get an advantage in a single series, this is how we get to McHugh/van Zyl incidents.
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@stodders said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
Either it is a persecution complex, or his boundaries are drawn in chalk so they can be easily moved when it suits him.
I see this is being made into another instance of anti-SA bias. That WR purposefully left it to several days before playing England. That SA always get the short end of the stick. I know we have some v calm SA posters on here, but there is a growing minority of SA fans that believe the world is against them. Left unchecked, or in this instance inflamed by Erasmus to get an advantage in a single series, this is how we get to McHugh/van Zyl incidents.
They should be ignored. And if Erasmus is one of them, then he should be ignored as well.
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@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@majorrage said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
Erasmus had the world at his feet after the world cup. 57-0 to WC winners in 2 years wasn't it, under the first Bok black captain? Thats a status achieved by very few before, in any sport.
I don't understand why he did it. I'd ban him forever. Line in the sand.
Either it is a persecution complex, or his boundaries are drawn in chalk so they can be easily moved when it suits him.
I see this is being made into another instance of anti-SA bias. That WR purposefully left it to several days before playing England. That SA always get the short end of the stick. I know we have some v calm SA posters on here, but there is a growing minority of SA fans that believe the world is against them. Left unchecked, or in this instance inflamed by Erasmus to get an advantage in a single series, this is how we get to McHugh/van Zyl incidents.
They should be ignored. And if Erasmus is one of them, then he should be ignored as well.
Brenden Nel is one of the more balanced SA journos. This is how you can the flames of a persecution complex:
I know the NH media can be hilariously biased. But this isn't about media bias. The accusation is that WR and their officially sanctioned referees have a vendetta against SA.
Honest question to SA posters - is this victim hood linked in any way to the past when SA was isolated and sanctioned? The laager mindset has always been about getting tight and fighting for your life. An existential threat. Is this a continuation of that mindset? Or is it something else? Where does this feeling of persecution come from?
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@catogrande said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@nta said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
What effect will it have?
I believe the practice of pre-game meetings between referees and teams was stopped because it turned into a shit fight of accusations.
Now this.
My first thought when the video was released, and not watching it but looking at the commentary around it:
"World Cup Champions or World Class Victims?"
World rugby really needs to address this and the larger problem of referee abuse and influencing. There needs to be meaningful sanction or we’ll be heading further down the soccer route.
Perhaps they can clean up the shit-can that the TMO has become at the same time.
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@rebound said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders "Balanced" is you call Boks are the greatest ever and any call going against them is bad refereeing balanced. Then yep very balanced. Thats the sum of his articles I come accross
One of the more balanced SA journos. When put against Mark Keohane, he's balanced 🤣
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@stodders fuck you, you fucking dogshit fluffybunny, I hope your cat gets mild diarrhoea you cruel disgusting fluffybunny....
For making me go and read fucken twitter.
Anyhow - rugby journalism in SA is proper shit and they gain a lot of engagement by inflaming people's emotions.
An example of this is the sarugbymag article which is, intentionally, misleading in that makes it seem like Siya was sanctioned for the media conference where stated he felt disrespected.
That charge was explicitly dismissed, but it is good for getting people all upset.
As for the general sense of persecution - I think it has a lot do with being a bit of an outsider. Australia and New Zealand are culturally very close and allign pretty closely again with the British isles.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
The CEO of WR sent a letter (after the video was public) basically saying that yeah teams pressure refs through the media but let's all just be good sports and not take it too far. Imagine being a ref in that structure.
TBF, influencing the Ref via the media has been part of the game since this old bugger started watching in the early '70's and it's generally done with respect.
But Erasmus went much further and ranted at the Refs in a way that was pure intimidation and went against everything which Rugby should stand for. I'm with @MajorRage. Ban the twat for life.
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@victor-meldrew it is an issue that is never really dealt with in the decision - but the protocols around how teams interact with refs away from the pitch are non-existant.
You have calls and wattsaps between Rassie and Berry and it doesn't appear that there is any framework as to how the process should go. It appears from the information available that the refs are left to kinda figure it out themselves with the Jutge only getting tangently involved on the Monday.
The fact that there is no set process and no real leadership from head office leaves the refs (and the teams) with ways to resolve any issues that come up during a series like this.
I am not excusing Erasmus or suggesting that WR lack of action in anyway mitigates what he did. What I'm saying is the process in place is a complete shambles.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@victor-meldrew it is an issue that is never really dealt with in the decision - but the protocols around how teams interact with refs away from the pitch are non-existant.
You have calls and wattsaps between Rassie and Berry and it doesn't appear that there is any framework as to how the process should go. It appears from the information available that the refs are left to kinda figure it out themselves with the Jutge only getting tangently involved on the Monday.
The fact that there is no set process and no real leadership from head office leaves the refs (and the teams) with ways to resolve any issues that come up during a series like this.
I am not excusing Erasmus or suggesting that WR lack of action in anyway mitigates what he did. What I'm saying is the process in place is a complete shambles.
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders fuck you, you fucking dogshit fluffybunny, I hope your cat gets mild diarrhoea you cruel disgusting fluffybunny....
For making me go and read fucken twitter.
Anyhow - rugby journalism in SA is proper shit and they gain a lot of engagement by inflaming people's emotions.
An example of this is the sarugbymag article which is, intentionally, misleading in that makes it seem like Siya was sanctioned for the media conference where stated he felt disrespected.
That charge was explicitly dismissed, but it is good for getting people all upset.
As for the general sense of persecution - I think it has a lot do with being a bit of an outsider. Australia and New Zealand are culturally very close and allign pretty closely again with the British isles.
You're welcome. Now have a long shower and you should be cleansed. I think that's what Jacob Zuma taught us anyway 🤣
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@sidbarret said in 2021 British & Irish Lions tour to SA:
@stodders fuck you, you fucking dogshit fluffybunny, I hope your cat gets mild diarrhoea you cruel disgusting fluffybunny....
For making me go and read fucken twitter.
Anyhow - rugby journalism in SA is proper shit and they gain a lot of engagement by inflaming people's emotions.
An example of this is the sarugbymag article which is, intentionally, misleading in that makes it seem like Siya was sanctioned for the media conference where stated he felt disrespected.
That charge was explicitly dismissed, but it is good for getting people all upset.
As for the general sense of persecution - I think it has a lot do with being a bit of an outsider. Australia and New Zealand are culturally very close and allign pretty closely again with the British isles.
I think Nel agrees with you re twitter. Thinks more needs to be said, less written down. Which is a very fair observation.
However, any statement that SA is alone persecuted by NH is completely absurd. Whatever you've heard, we've heard it.
Winners are grinners, you guys should just embrace it. IT took me probably 20 years to learn that.
