The Haka
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With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).
Fine them, they knew what they were doing.
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I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.
Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.
I don't think they should be fined either, but if WR have protocols for haka (and Siva Tau, Cibi, Sipu Tau) and England know about them then I think it's fair enough they pay. I assume there are fines for breaking of protocols not relating to haka.
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@Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.
It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??
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@taniwharugby said in The Haka:
@Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.
It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??
looked like they wanted to get closer, not sure about a circle. That would have been interesting
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@taniwharugby said in The Haka:
@Nepia what should have happened, was if WR have these directives (which seem a bit OTT) then if England had gone to them and said 'we intend doing this' and WR go yep, sweet.
It did appear England wanted to circle us completely but officials stopped them??
I don't know? There are protocols, there are fines for breaking the protocols, you break the protocols you pay the fine - I don't know what else there is to it other than most of us think there shouldn't be the protocols in place. Also, it's not just the opposition, if the ABs have advanced above where they should then they too would cop a fine.
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With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).
I immediately thought of Willie Anderson in 1989. A pity Read didn't follow Buck's lead and advance as well. The haka response was symptomatic of the game itself.
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@Nepia ha that bolded bit wasnt a question, it was part of a statement for that whole sentence about what should have happened....
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Wasn't the introduction of fines due to some French players spitting at our guys during an under 21 final back in about 2001?
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With regard to World Rugby's haka/cibi/siva tau/sipi tau protocols, they are in place because some teams took the response to extremes. Look up Richard Cockerill/Norm Hewitt, and that Irish guy (Willie Anderson?).
I immediately thought of Willie Anderson in 1989. A pity Read didn't follow Buck's lead and advance as well. The haka response was symptomatic of the game itself.
Yup, they should have advanced a bit - needed Mike Brewer on the edge to move forward too (he was way ahead of the team in 89 IIRC).
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I think they should not be fined, and should be allowed to stand up to the haka if they want. If a fight breaks out, fine that behaviour.
Only been two incidents I can remember of someone being a dickhead about that.
I think I remember reading that after the Richard Cockerill/ Norm Hewitt face off world rugby actually made the decision to split the teams.. hence not going over half way. Could be wrong, but I believe thats where it came from.
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Thought what England did was brilliant. Teams should be fined if they spit at the Haka or assault the players doing it, apart from that the opposition can respond to the challenge as they see fit.
I'd prefer going back to Ka Mate as the All Black haka for all tests. There should be a single Haka leader (from the starting XV) too.
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Seeing as it was Eddie Jones idea fine the crap out of them!! and give the funds to a worthy rugby cause in Japan somewhere
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and on the Haka, watched rugby documentary "By the Balls" this week and good insight by Buck on how he changed the Haka in 1987
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Yeah I was pissed off how we didn't advance also - all the players know there's a fine for going over the 10m mark, when the AB's saw England doing it they should have responded. France did the same a few years back and again we let them cop the fine on their own.
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Traditionally we only did it outside NZ (I think until Buck?), but I personally think we should do Kapa o Pango only, and only at home.
The exception could be when facing a pacific island team away from home, and asking them to do theirs at ours.
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Yeah I was pissed off how we didn't advance also - all the players know there's a fine for going over the 10m mark, when the AB's saw England doing it they should have responded. France did the same a few years back and again we let them cop the fine on their own.
It goes back to what we were discussing on here a little while ago that it’s become a performance. I don’t doubt the emotion and feeling put in by the players, but the formation, microphones etc removes some of the spontaneity that can occur like movement forward.
Whilst many remember the 2003 RWC match against Tonga for their sipi tau starting during the ABs haka, what I also loved was Kees Meuws responding in his own personal way.
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I'm on board with a single haka
I also couldn't give a toss whether England are fined or not for their vaginal thrust.
But the protocols are daft and should change. We should respect the right to perform the haka and the opposition right to respond. Advancing, yelling, gesturing , whatever, all should be allowed.
The line should only be drawn at physical contact.
If we can't trust 2 sides of professional players to not start punching each other before the official commencement of 80mins of trench warfare, then we have bigger issues.
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I'll go against the grain here. I like the two of them and the excitement of wondering which one will be whipped out.
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@mariner4life said in The Haka:
I'll go against the grain here. I like the two of them and the excitement of wondering which one will be whipped out.
are we still talking war dances?
War dances?
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Thank you, Joe Marler, this week was getting boring. Now, at least, we have a tabloid row about the Haka to enjoy. Hopefully "aura" and accusations of cheating will be next.
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@Canes4life said in The Haka:
Thank you, Joe Marler, this week was getting boring. Now, at least, we have a tabloid row about the Haka to enjoy. Hopefully "aura" and accusations of cheating will be next.
I’d love Finau’s first forward whoop ass to be Marla.
Might have to make him wear the 10 jersey
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@Canes4life He's not been selected and he's deleted his X account.
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If the All Blacks coaching staff are asked about this in a press conference, which I suspect they will be, surely the answer should be something like:
"Joe has had his say and you're read what he said. We're focusing on letting the players we've selected have their say on Saturday afternoon. Our whole camp is united in supporting their preparations to be fully focused on the big match. We are not going to be at all distracted by anything a player who hasn't be selected by our opponent has posted on social media."
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This isn’t even a story. Robertson won’t care a bean.
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@MajorRage said in The Haka:
This isn’t even a story. Robertson won’t care a bean.
The British tabloids will.
But yeah it's a nothing burger.
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I'd be more.surprised if we went on a NH tour and they didn't ask for it to be banned...well, more specifically it seems to be England.
That said, I still think we need to ditch one of the versions of our anthem or the haha...
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@taniwharugby who gives a fuck about God anyway?
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The English are just angry they haven't thought of having a chariot ride at ferocious velocity around the stadium before the game by a 2000 year old militant femme in striking headgear.
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Victor Meldrewreplied to Bones on 30 Oct 2024, 07:45 last edited by Victor Meldrew 30 Oct 2024, 08:49
@taniwharugby who gives a fuck about God anyway?
The BTL comments in The Telegraph are a hoot. You should get in there and get stuck in on how God Save the King is a colonialist genocidal anthem which needs to be banned...
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The Haka, God Save The King and God Save New Zealand just aren't woke enough for 2024.
Come to think of it, neither is test match Rugby.
The entire game on Saturday should be scrapped and 80,000 in Twickenham should have a silent vigil instead to ponder the evils of colonialism. 😉
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The Haka, God Save The King and God Save New Zealand just aren't woke enough for 2024.
Come to think of it, neither is test match Rugby.
The entire game on Saturday should be scrapped and 80,000 in Twickenham should have a silent vigil instead to ponder the evils of colonialism. 😉
Maybe we could save time and have a God Save The Haka mashup?
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Marler knows about banning and binning.
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Yawn. Must be autumn international time again.
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Done more to promote the fixture than the MSM tbf
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@MiketheSnow said in The Haka:
Done more to promote the fixture than the MSM tbf
Indeed he has. Wrote yesterday that it was a very subdued build up, but suddenly it's everywhere.
well played Joe.
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