RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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I had a think about it and put my comments on Twitter. Here they are redrafted for the Fern:
England don't rely on bounce of the ball. They may never be the most creative set of individuals but roles and responsibilities are understood and executed using the talents they have - an Eddie Jones hallmark.
The ABs historically have a hard-nosed approach to the basics, but in recent years they've become a little tinny with some of their "miracle" plays like Barrett magic. They didn't have that, and tried too hard to find it last night.
The "we will out-Kiwi them eventually" doesn't always stick
You got a couple of rough calls from Nigel, which also historically hasn't happened (with Owens or any other ref). At that point the contrasts between leadership of McCaw and Read were highlighted.
The NZRFU systems will ensure that kind of loss remains a rarity, but it's time for a refresh in the coaching ranks.
In a way I'm disappointed (ABE) but would a threepeat with another tinny win be good for the game as a whole?
No.
Also interested to see ex-Fern stalwart Red Beard on Twitter, speculating about absences:
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@Kruse said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I was so simple in my wanting cathartic release.
I walked home from the stadium through deserted dodgy areas, no mugging.
I went to a standing bar, got thoroughly re-drunk, yelling “fuck” at the ceiling once in a while. Much to the amusement of locals.
Then I went down to the riverside with a couple of drinks and cigarettes, found a gang of teenagers hanging out causing trouble. Sat down close to them, and when I got eye contact... gestured to the litter-mess they'd caused. They cleaned their shit up, and left.
What do I need to do to get beaten up in this country? I just want my body to feel like my mind does.God Japan is awesome. When I lived in Palmy it was almost rare not to get assaulted after dark when walking home.
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@Higgins said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
The worst is still yet to come. We still have to endure both Rattue and Reason!
And The Walrus
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@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?I hate the loss but I hate these kind of posts after the loss even worse. No complaints about Bounga after Wallabies, South Africa or Ireland , now its a failure? Nothing to suggest any other available combo would have done better. Really did not think Ritchie was the problem.
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@DMX said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@cgrant said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
People in this forum are great fans of Richie Mounga. He's had a mare : missed an easy tackle on Daly who is not the quickest fullback nor the strongest one (this led to England's first try), then could not handle the English rush defence. Let's hope he'll learn from this very disappointing performance.
The Bounga experiment was clearly a failure with BB's kicking from hand being an issue. Would DMac have done better ?I hate the loss but I hate these kind of posts after the loss even worse. No complaints about Bounga after Wallabies, South Africa or Ireland , now its a failure? Nothing to suggest any other available combo would have done better. Really did not think Ritchie was the problem.
I think some people don’t read all the posts or gloss over a lot.
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@cgrant I agree Mounga didn’t have a good game. BB, while exceptional at times at full back does not have the greatest kick on him or it deserted him last night. Moving forward Harvilli seems pretty solid at FB and maybe BB back to 1st five. Of course we can play our typical game against any other team with Bounga, except England, and probably win.
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@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Can we get a welfare check on @mariner4life?
Haven't watched the game. Was at a great party. Only just woke up.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bones said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Can we get a welfare check on @mariner4life?
Haven't watched the game.
Don't.
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@SammyC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@ACT-Crusader said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No concerns with that loss. We were outplayed and Eddie Jones did his thing.
Never got the criticism of Itoje because he’s played like this before. Well done that man.
Look forward to seeing the ABs one more time against the Boks. 😎
The criticism of Itoje is NZ rugby fan arrogance at its best.
I think it has been deserved previously.
... perhaps not now ...
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Far from an excuse because you have to back up week after week,
But I do think beating Ireland in the manner we did , when they had become our recent bogey team ,possibly had Us overall feeling A little too comfortable with things .
If there was a return game against England next week , things might be different , but world cups don’t work like that .
Emphasis on not an excuse, We should know better , but part of the failure
