RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1)
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@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@MiketheSnow whether we are under more pressure or not is irrelevant, the fact we've been here and done that before us the difference, England haven't, so this is a whole new set of pressure for them to deal with, similarly Ireland last week (and all tournament as one of the Faves) and Wales next week if they make it.
Nervous energy here now...hope it is a great game and people remember it for that and Owen's is remembered only as he reffed it, not cos of some call/s he made.
Lets go!
Agreed! Just hope no 'protocol' red cards to spoil things.
Unless it's an Owen Farrell shoulder tackle, then card the fuck out of him
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No lose scenario for us
England win, then it's up to us to beat a Bok side who we've beaten four times on the trot for a chance to beat England in the Final
NZ win - hopefully as convincingly as they did against Ireland - and we can be grateful that England won't lift the trophy
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@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
But perhaps the biggest surprise to me is that Crotty doesn't seem to have had a look in, despite not that long ago being probably first choice midfielder?
When the RWC squad was announced Hansen implied that the 4th midfield position came down to Crotty vs Laumape so I'd say the 3 players involved this evening were always preferred.
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
I'm back for biggest game in 4 years very nervous can't sleep imagine Reads last game losing to the English, the stuff of nightmares
I'm hoping Read has the ultimate 34th birthday present.
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@MiketheSnow said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
No lose scenario for us
England win, then it's up to us to beat a Bok side who we've beaten four times on the trot for a chance to beat England in the Final
NZ win - hopefully as convincingly as they did against Ireland - and we can be grateful that England won't lift the trophy
Gonna put it out there that losing tomorrow is a lose situation for you.
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@Bovidae last few years have shown SBW was always in the coaches plans, Crotty was probably the fly in the ointment: such a classy player but probably didnt quite suit what they are trying to achieve currently.
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
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@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win 😉
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
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@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win 😉
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
Very slick.Oh I don’t count them. Morans the lot of them.
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
I think they would stay with ALB-Goodhue. Goodhue wasn't available to play SA and SBW seems to have been given the role as the reserve midfielder, coming on after ~50 mins.
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On the topic of dry powder.....
Savea and Barret starting at 6 was discussed a lot and becomes a reality!
Picking players on form ie Reece and Bridge who would have thunk it at the start of Super Rugby?
I love the way that the team selected is not what scheming Eddie has been planning on!
Also the pod formations have developed to a new level but remain interchangeable making it near impossible to pick how we will structure our set up for attack.
Throw the twin attack of Richie and Beauden into the mix and potentially this could be one of the great AB sides!
We have a tight 5 to match up to anyone but across the rest of the park we have unmatched talent with a youthful enthusiasm that is irresistible!
If we lose it will not be through conservative selections!
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@BerniesCorner said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@canefan cool
great username.
I dug up a small part of Bernies Corner in the middle of the night when Athletic Park was being demoed. Planted it in the back yard in Christchurch, as an outpost of the Wellington. Unfortunately didn't get a chance to take it with me when I moved ... regrets, eh, was a piece of history
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What are we guessing Eddie has planned ,
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
It’s interesting when he talks about Playing New Zealand and what you have to do, like it’s very different to any other team.
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
What are we guessing Eddie has planned ,
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
It’s interesting when he talks about Playing New Zealand and what you have to do, like it’s very different to any other team.
If they have another plan I would be surprised. That would be bone dry powder
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@kiwiinmelb said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Will he revisit his 03 plan of holding on to the ball for long periods , can’t help but think he will be attempting to give us nothing but scraps , and when they do kick , go high and challenge in the air .
Pretty safe bet, and probably why we have Red Barrett starting as another lineout target to counter some of that and ensure we get possession.
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Well If true , I guess the only surprise element maybe where they send their runners , has he identified something in our defence that he thinks he can exploit ?
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@taniwharugby said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Bovidae last few years have shown SBW was always in the coaches plans, Crotty was probably the fly in the ointment: such a classy player but probably didnt quite suit what they are trying to achieve currently.
That said, if we win and meet SA in the final, is Crotty the best option then given how he & ALB went last outing, or is the fact he wont have played for a month make it too hard to get back barring injury?
I wonder if once they got into camp TWM decided ALB was better at finding the gaps created by the new multipod system? Interesting that they resisted tempatation to take a second 'basher' at 12.
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@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@Frank said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@JC said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@pakman said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
@BartMan said in RWC: England v New Zealand (SF1):
Well if we lose, silver lining. Foster won't be new head coach....
And of course there's chinks in the armour, but the armour is constantly evolving. I mean, I haven't seen the All Black forwards play that directly since first Lions test last series.
And as an aside, all this 'knowing how to beat All Blacks' shit past players are spouting.
Lion's second test last series? So they need to get an AB sent off after 24 minutes, that's a tough game plan to implement on a regular basis methinks!
Boers last year? Get the ABs to gift you 21 points and then hang on!!I think the only real beating up of the ABs the last few years is Paddies in Chicago and Convicts in Perth. The rest of the losses are just the ABs running out of time to win 😉
In Hong Kong airport sweating on my flight to Tokyo!
No complaints about Perth.
Perth was valuable IMO. They played passively and got well beaten by a better team and guess what? The world didn’t end. Hansen didn’t get fired, no players got threatened by the public, a handful of nutters calling up ZB and the troll journos with their clickbait and that’s it. Compare that to the reaction at previous losses. I think the general public would like the ABs to win, and believe they have the tools to do it, but nobody is going to die if they don’t. That’s got to be a great relief of pressure on the team right there.
I love how you leave out the subsequent meltdown on the Fern.
Very slick.Oh I don’t count them. Morans the lot of them.
Is that the Irish branch of the Moron clan?
