RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4)

[Tim]

Matsushima incident:

Oct 20, 2019

Watch Matsushima v Mapimpi in the air - [JPN RSA] | Streamable

Watch "Matsushima v Mapimpi in the air - [JPN RSA]" on Streamable.

Matawara spear-tackle:

Oct 20, 2019

Watch Beast yellow - [JPN RSA] | Streamable

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More clips:

https://www.reddit.com/r/rugbyunion/comments/dkivnt/post_match_thread_south_africa_vs_japan/f4fseuh/

[Billy Webb]

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

[junior]

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

He more than made up for it in the 2nd half...

[Billy Webb]

@junior said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

He more than made up for it in the 2nd half...

You must be referring to him not yellow / red carding Mutsushima?

[antipodean]

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@junior said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

He more than made up for it in the 2nd half...

You must be referring to him not yellow / red carding Mutsushima?

I'd take a YC for Matsushima if Mtawarira got a RC

[Billy Webb]

@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@junior said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

He more than made up for it in the 2nd half...

You must be referring to him not yellow / red carding Mutsushima?

I'd take a YC for Matsushima if Mtawarira got a RC

Of course you would. It would help you when we meet you later in the tournament.
But someone posted vids of both incidents above in this thread.
If you genuinely hold the view that Beasts was more dangerous, then I can’t help you.

[cgrant]

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

Hmmm. I wonder whether he had gone upstairs for Mtawarira's tip tackle, the outcome would not have been different. This was a big decision and it was not in Japan's favour.

[Billy Webb]

Now that I have calmed down a touch:

Thought the Boks were inaccurate in the first half.
Two potential scoring opportunities messed up through poor skills.
We can’t afford that next week against Wales.

On the positive side, the best game I have seen from de Allende in ages. And very happy with our fitness. Last 20 the Bok power came through for us. But we will need to be better next week if we want to progress.

[canefan]

@cgrant said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

Hmmm. I wonder whether he had gone upstairs for Mtawarira's tip tackle, the outcome would not have been different. This was a big decision and it was not in Japan's favour.

Beast was very lucky, and the pleading look on his face told you that he knew his cup future was at risk

[antipodean]

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@junior said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

He more than made up for it in the 2nd half...

You must be referring to him not yellow / red carding Mutsushima?

I'd take a YC for Matsushima if Mtawarira got a RC

Of course you would. It would help you when we meet you later in the tournament.
But someone posted vids of both incidents above in this thread.
If you genuinely hold the view that Beasts was more dangerous, then I can’t help you.

I'm simply applying the WR thresholds. I don't care if you've got Mtawarira on the field. I think he's like a number of players in that he's judged on reputation based on certain games. Current form means more to me. I don't rate him as much as some people do right now.

His loss shouldn't mean much to South Africa if they're judging/ selecting on form.

[Billy Tell]

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

On the positive side, the best game I have seen from de Allende in ages. And very happy with our fitness. Last 20 the Bok power came through for us. But we will need to be better next week if we want to progress.

I give Wales zero chance. You are in the final. Hopefully we see you there for the 100th match between our nations.

France would have been an interesting game. I think you will squash Wales.

[cgrant]

I don't see this Welsh team beat SA. Moreover, Navidi is a huge loss for Wales.

[Billy Webb]

@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@antipodean said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@junior said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Mission accomplished by the Boks.
Despite Barnes trying his best to keep Japan in the game.
He can piss right off. You don’t ref for the home favorite underdog. You fucking ref the game without giving one team the constant benefit of the doubt.

Rant done.

Well done to Japan for a good run in the tournament.

He more than made up for it in the 2nd half...

You must be referring to him not yellow / red carding Mutsushima?

I'd take a YC for Matsushima if Mtawarira got a RC

Of course you would. It would help you when we meet you later in the tournament.
But someone posted vids of both incidents above in this thread.
If you genuinely hold the view that Beasts was more dangerous, then I can’t help you.

I'm simply applying the WR thresholds. I don't care if you've got Mtawarira on the field. I think he's like a number of players in that he's judged on reputation based on certain games. Current form means more to me. I don't rate him as much as some people do right now.

His loss shouldn't mean much to South Africa if they're judging/ selecting on form.

Meh.
I note your concession / non engagement re the Jap card
Point being, we can argue this either way all year.
It’s done now.

Edit: and for the record, I thought the yellow for Beast was on the harsh end of the scale, but fair enough. Anything more would’ve been a joke. Most innocuous tip tackle we’ve seen this whole RWC. And bear in mind this is from Barnes who let an Italian who dumped a Bok much more dangerously completely off the hook.

Double edit: I clearly am one-eyed in my view on all of this. Judging by your thread commentary, so are you @antipodean .
Fair enough. I don’t really want to engage in a squabble about something done and dusted, so will accept that we agree to see it differently

[Billy Webb]

@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

On the positive side, the best game I have seen from de Allende in ages. And very happy with our fitness. Last 20 the Bok power came through for us. But we will need to be better next week if we want to progress.

I give Wales zero chance. You are in the final. Hopefully we see you there for the 100th match between our nations.

France would have been an interesting game. I think you will squash Wales.

I suspect Rassie is happier playing Wales. And that’s no disrespect to Wales. France would probably have been an easier game 8 times out of 10. But it’s those 2 times that are hard to plan against.

Wales could well beat us. But it will be because they execute better on the day. Not because they suddenly turn turd into champagne. Those Frogs in RWC are a real enigma in the knockout stages.

[Stargazer]

[Machpants]

The spear tackle was a red IMO, same as the one by Italy vs the Boks that wasn't called right. I hve no idea as it stands for the Japanese one, I would have said red, but then World Rugby hung Gardner(?) out to dry with the (correct IMO) red that the Frog got vs Barrett because 'he kept his eyes on the ball'. So I think that was a red, but no idea if it is by current interpretations. If either or red had been given, Boks still would have won. Much betterer team. They'll smash Wales, based on games just played and history, but knock out rugby can be tricky. Boksweren't perfect but they were good, and will step up again if they make the final, whereas Wales were an embaressment and have to turn it totally around.

[Snowy]

@Stargazer Haha. That's just "STFU, moran".

[Duluth]

@Billy-Webb said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

Thought the Boks were inaccurate in the first half.
Two potential scoring opportunities messed up through poor skills.
We can’t afford that next week against Wales.

On the positive side, the best game I have seen from de Allende in ages. And very happy with our fitness. Last 20 the Bok power came through for us. But we will need to be better next week if we want to progress.

The poor handling from the backs is the only real concern for the Boks.

They've picked up plenty of wins against the ABs by backing their defence over 80mins and still getting the occasional try despite not playing much.
The defence was at that level but the attack was appalling for most of the game.

Sending up the shooter in defence (normally Faf) worked really well last night

The lineout was incredible. The scrum was strong apart from one 7 man effort when the hook was missed.

Faf's box kicks were a bit erratic

Thinking of Henry's old line about the difficulty of getting up mentally three weeks in a row.. well there seemed to be an element of going through the motions in this match. Thats a luxury that over sides didn't have.

[Duluth]

@Machpants said in RWC: Japan v South Africa (QF 4):

The spear tackle was a red IMO

Not by the protocols the refs use. If he landed on his head/neck yes it would have been a red. It was a clear yellow.

I would argue the protocols are a bit shit but thats a different conversation. I don't like adding an incentive for the tackled player to not protect himself

[Machpants]

@Duluth OK shows that I don't know much when it comes to protocols!