RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A)
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@Rembrandt said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?
Actually, Scotland still progress even if Ireland beat Samoa provided they beat Japan (bonus point not needed because they have superior points differential and the fact they won the game between the two 2nd place getters)
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@Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Rembrandt said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
They have to play it surely. It's a slim chance but Scotland could still progress if Samoa knocks Ireland over, why kick the Scots in the teeth twice? Surely this could also be lawsuit territory for fans travel and expenses, cancelling for an 'act of God' is one thing but for 'integrity'?
Actually, Scotland still progress even if Ireland beat Samoa provided they beat Japan (bonus point not needed because they have superior points differential and the fact they won the game between the two 2nd place getters)
This is assuming Japan don't pick up a bonus point themselves in this scenario (for either scoring 4 tries or getting within 7 points).
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Samoa
1 Logovii Mulipola
2 Seilala Lam
3 Michael Alaalatoa
4 Teofilo Paulo
5 Kane Le'aupepe
6 Chris Vui
7 TJ Ioane
8 Jack Lam (capt.)
9 Dwayne Polataivao
10 Ulupano Seuteni
11 Ed Fidow
12 Henry Taefu
13 Alapati Leiua
14 Ah See Tuala
15 Tim Nanai-Williams16 Ray Niuia
17 Paul Alo-Emile
18 Jordan Lay
19 Piula Faasalele
20 Josh Tyrell
21 Pele Cowley
22 Tusi Pisi
23 Kieron Fonotia.
Samoa coach Vaeluaga Steve Jackson has made just two changes to his side to take on Ireland on Saturday. Loose-head prop Logovii Mulipola, above, and second-row Teofilo Paulo return to the starting XV having sat out the 38-19 defeat by Japan. They replace Jordan Lay and Piula Faasalele, who drop to the bench. It means the Lam brothers - hooker Seilala, and captain and number eight, Jack - will start a second successive World Cup game alongside one another. Jackson keeps faith with the same back division that started against Japan, but he will hope one or two others come to the party in Fukuoka after centre Henry Taefu contributed all 19 points (one try, one conversion, four penalties) on his own against the hosts. -
In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.
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@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
In genuinely surprising news Irish fans are whinging
about the cancelled matches. Gives NZ or SA too much rest. They sort of have a point but they also have their readymade excuse that doesn’t involve Ireland having a stodgy style of rugby with no plan B.I'm astonished.
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Oh get over yourselves.
The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.
Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.
Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.
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Schmidt has named his team for Saturday:
15.Jordan Larmour
14. Keith Earls
13. Robbie Henshaw
12. Bundee Aki
11. Jacob Stockdale
10. Jonathan Sexton
9. Conor Murray- Cian Healy
- Rory Best
- Tadhg Furlong
- Iain Henderson
- James Ryan
- Tadhg Beirne
- Josh van der Flier
- CJ Stander
Replacements
16 Niall Scannell
17 Dave Kilcoyne
18 Andrew Porter
19 Jean Kleyn
20 Peter O’Mahony
21 Luke McGrath
22 Joey Carbery
23 Andrew ConwayHenshaw gets his first game with Chris Farrell still following HIA protocols. Porter gets ahead of Ryan for the bench spot at TH. Carbery is finally recovered to be the bench for Sexton. And Rob Kearney is out due to his ongoing injury. Ringrose gets a rest having played in the first three matches.
Big step-up needed but it's the right kind of heavy duty match to prepare for knockout stages - hopefully not with the kind of injuries as happened last time out against France.
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@Derm-McCrum so they're allowed 29 on the squad?
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@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
Oh get over yourselves.
The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.
Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.
Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.
You say save on wear and tear, I say lose the opportunity for some much needed game time for some of our players.
If you want to talk about things getting weary, you are looking in the wrong place. Barely 24 hours go by without some NH bore writing garbage about AB favouritism - hell, even read some comments about this game being cancelled BECAUSE of this. That, is the definition of weary. In fact, look at Parisse comment - "If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled"
I have huge sympathies for Parisse and his team. Regardless of expectancy in the match, this decision knocks them out. And that really sucks for them. If the same happens to the jocks, then I will feel the same for Townshend. In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.
But it's what we all signed up to. Same as losing the cricket world cup on a meaningless stat. Gotta move on and deal with it.
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@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.Disagree.
Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup. -
@Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.Disagree.
Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.Scotland were a controversial decision away from a semi with Argies in the last one, thats a winnable game which puts them in the final. They also came within a bee's dick of beating England at Twickenham a few months ago.
They may be inconsistent, but they are a chance and to be robbed of that chance due to a cancellation which, in my view, should have been avoided is appalling.
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@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.Disagree.
Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.Scotland were a controversial decision away from a semi with Argies in the last one, thats a winnable game which puts them in the final.
Where they would have been flogged.
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@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Frank said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.Disagree.
Neither Italy nor Scotland has a shit's show of winning the World Cup.Scotland were a controversial decision away from a semi with Argies in the last one, thats a winnable game which puts them in the final. They also came within a bee's dick of beating England at Twickenham a few months ago.
They may be inconsistent, but they are a chance and to be robbed of that chance due to a cancellation which, in my view, should have been avoided is appalling.
I agree it is terrible there is no contingency plan.
But let's not delude ourselves that either had a chance of even getting close to winning it this time.
There should be no "asterix" next to the winner at this stage, because no really strong team has missed out due to the typhoons. -
@Machpants said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Derm-McCrum so they're allowed 29 on the squad?
Always - it's an Irish thing.
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@MajorRage said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
Oh get over yourselves.
The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.
Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.
Ideally for the organisers, Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.
You say save on wear and tear, I say lose the opportunity for some much needed game time for some of our players.
If you want to talk about things getting weary, you are looking in the wrong place. Barely 24 hours go by without some NH bore writing garbage about AB favouritism - hell, even read some comments about this game being cancelled BECAUSE of this. That, is the definition of weary. In fact, look at Parisse comment - "If New Zealand needed four or five points against us it would not have been cancelled"
I have huge sympathies for Parisse and his team. Regardless of expectancy in the match, this decision knocks them out. And that really sucks for them. If the same happens to the jocks, then I will feel the same for Townshend. In fact, I'd argue that it would genuinely put a massive asterix beside the results of this world cup.
But it's what we all signed up to. Same as losing the cricket world cup on a meaningless stat. Gotta move on and deal with it.
Yep - that's what I said.
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@Derm-McCrum The wear and tear thing is a big advantage to the poms and France, but not us at all as I see it. We have depth, were playing a weak Italian side, a couple of key players (retallick, goodhue) need game time, and so does the Mounga Barrett system, the two young wings and the midfield combo.
I would much rather we had the game to play, but am gutted that the frogs and poms won't be beating each other up. -
@Derm-McCrum said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
Oh get over yourselves.
The Ireland schtick is becoming wearisome. England, France, New Zealand all get a wave-through to the next stages, and save on wear and tear. It's a plus for them. Having less game time and longer than planned for rest might work against them somewhat but I'm sure it's something they all can handle.
Parisse & Co are rightly raging about the decision but not a lot can be done about it. If Ireland win, and Scotland v Japan gets cancelled then I'd be spitting tacks if I was Townsend. It certainly puts a blemish on the tournament. Hopefully it can go ahead.
Ideally
for the organisers,Samoa would beat Ireland and then it wouldn't matter as much if the other game was cancelled.- Good. You guys have become more unlikable than the English. Stop whinging about us whinging about you whinging.
- "Rightly raging" even though there is no other option?
- FIFY
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well, this is all very seemly
Derm what are your hopes for this game? What are you looking for? (except 5 points obviously). More of the exact same, except a bit better?
Because you blokes haven't looked great thus far, and you are off to a quarter against us probably (unless Scotland suddenly turn up) in about a week.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: Ireland v Samoa (Pool A):
well, this is all very seemly
Derm what are your hopes for this game? What are you looking for? (except 5 points obviously). More of the exact same, except a bit better?
Because you blokes haven't looked great thus far, and you are off to a quarter against us probably (unless Scotland suddenly turn up) in about a week.
I’m hoping they don’t play themselves into form and suddenly click in the quarters against us .
Mostly because I don’t want the abs to be knocked out on the quarters and also because I’ve enjoyed being a prick about them getting bukkaked by the Japanese and there’s probably a couple of Irish lurkers dying to get payback.
