RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D)

Billy Tell

Hodge cited. He’s gone I’d say for at least the pool games.

Stargazer

Disciplinary update: Reece Hodge (Australia)

Australia winger Reece Hodge has been cited by John Montgomery (Scotland) for an act of foul play contrary to Law 9.13 (dangerous tackle) in the 25th minute of Australia’s Rugby World Cup 2019 Pool D match against Fiji on 21 September.

Hodge will attend a hearing before an independent judicial committee chaired by Nigel Hampton, QC (New Zealand), former international coach Frank Hadden (Scotland) and former referee José Luis Rolandi (Argentina).

The hearing will take place in Tokyo with the date and time to be confirmed shortly.

Machpants

Nail him up Nige

booboo

@Billy-Tell said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

I think hodge is fine. Would not like to see that red carded. He clearly tries to wrap left arm and he didn’t deliberately lead with shoulder. Just bad luck. And those whining...would you be happy to lose an AB for that?

Happy? No
Understanding? Accepting? Yes

mariner4life

I've just seen that Hodge incident. That's bullshit. In real speed that's absolutely nothing.

Rugby is fucked. Grow a pair you fairies

Machpants

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

I've just seen that Hodge incident. That's bullshit. In real speed that's absolutely nothing.

Rugby is fucked. Grow a pair you fairies

Wake up and smell the 21st century FFS - you can carry on with that shit if you want rugby to get sued to oblivion in a few years

mariner4life

@Machpants said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

I've just seen that Hodge incident. That's bullshit. In real speed that's absolutely nothing.

Rugby is fucked. Grow a pair you fairies

Wake up and smell the 21st century FFS - you can carry on with that shit if you want rugby to get sued to oblivion in a few years

You can grow a set too

Play rugby, get hit in the head. What constitutes foul play has been lost in a desperate attempt to stave off the lawyers.

Machpants

@mariner4life you've obviously taken a few

mariner4life

So you really think that was foul play and worth a couple of weeks?

Really?

antipodean

It wasn't a bad tackle outcome that forced the Fijian from the field, it was an act of foul play.

mariner4life

@antipodean said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

It wasn't a bad tackle outcome that forced the Fijian from the field, it was an act of foul play.

I disagree

No Quarter

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

@antipodean said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

It wasn't a bad tackle outcome that forced the Fijian from the field, it was an act of foul play.

I disagree

I tend to agree with you but we need a lot more consistency in the rulings.

Kirwan

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

So you really think that was foul play and worth a couple of weeks?

Really?

A shoulder charge to the head that forced a player from the field?

Yes, really.

nzzp

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

I've just seen that Hodge incident. That's bullshit. In real speed that's absolutely nothing.

OK, you made me go and watch it again.

I reckon you're dead set wrong fella. The tackle is an example of what the game is trying to iron out - basically a shoulder with no grasping to the head, that caused someone to leave the field. It ticks all the boxes (and the effect isn't even a goddamn box).

The precedent is there; ScoBa is a red, that's a red, SBW gets a red, Devin Toner gets a red, everyone gets a red! It may not be what you want the game to be, but it's sure as shit what they are trying to achieve.

.

That said, I have some sympathy for the match officials. Hard to see in real time

Crucial

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

I've just seen that Hodge incident. That's bullshit. In real speed that's absolutely nothing.

Rugby is fucked. Grow a pair you fairies

Plenty of tries on the scoreboard that aren't tries in real time as well. Yes, slowing down the action can make it look worse but that doesn't change the fact that it happened.

Dangerous play isn't just foul play (which implies intent) either. It can be careless, reckless or high risk as well.
Hodge (like SB) took a split second risk of trying to effect a stop when he wasn't in a good position to do so and the consequence was contact to another player's head that caused brain injury. That isn't just 'get over it you softies' anymore. Evidence has confirmed the incidence of long term effects of brain injuries so trying to tell players not to be reckless, careless or take risks when in these situations is the sensible thing to do.
If players can make split second decisions on plenty of other on field actions they can add this one into the mix

Edit: if it helps, you are firmly in the Phil Kearns camp.
Former Wallabies hooker Phil Kearns has slammed the decision to cite Australian wing Reece Hodge for a dangerous tackle as "the biggest load of tripe that we have seen in world rugby for a long time".
"Reece didn't have time to get his arms up properly."

Good one Phil.

taniwharugby

@nzzp similar incident in the Northland-BOP game.

mariner4life

Seems I am mistaken. No worries.

NTA

@MrDenmore said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

It makes Scott Barrett’s shoulder on Hooper, where no one was injured, look like a cuddle in comparison.

It really doesn't.

Snowy

@mariner4life said in RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D):

Seems I am mistaken. No worries.

You just don't want to agree with Phil Kearns - perfectly understandable.

NTA

For the record: I have no problem with Hodge going to the judiciary.

It was beyond clumsy, without being malicious, and 5 metres out he should have been trying to hit him lower.

I'm not actually judging the incident on the harm it caused, because the intent is actually the soul of Law for Rugby.

The problem is we've become focused on outcomes - in this case a player leaving the field under WR safety protocols - rather than what the offending player was attempting to do.

Someone has already pointed out Hooper didn't leave the field after Barrett nailed him (and several other incidents clearly targeting Hooper in the first half), but are any of you neurologists going to state categorically that Hooper wasn't injured?

I believe Hodge has a pretty clean record. So likely looking at ~two weeks but maybe up to four if the outrage continues to build.

The inconsistency of refereeing so far this RWC is a talking point, and that's a shame.

BUT when you appoint Grade-level referees like BOK instead of driving a better development program worldwide, this is what you get

The Silver Fern

RWC: Fiji v Australia (Pool D)