RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool B)
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@Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@MajorRage said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Whose up for a laugh ... ?
Wow.
I'd give that about 5 correct about 10 wrong.
Previously I had only noticed Malherbe's binding in one of the Moody elbows down scrums - until this helpful video, he was literally doing it all day ref.
Only correct ones were 2 of the knockons, couple of side entries, plus the Vermeulen penalty. Although while focusing on red herring of Moody he ignored Ardie ending up being at the wrong side of that disintegrating maul for the rip.
The Marx clean should not be repeated.
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@dogmeat said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Could get quite messy for anyone astern on a lee tack though
those aren't even real words!
Andy Haden after John McEldowney indulged the night before on pasta and Italian red?
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@Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Previously I had only noticed Malherbe's binding in one of the Moody elbows down scrums - until this helpful video, he was literally doing it all day ref.
Thanks for pointing that out - I borrowed it to comment at the source!
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@Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:It really does reveal the 'narrative' is irrelevant to what actually happens on the pitch. Divorced from reality.
In a game in which:
- Mapimpi avoided yellow card for a Professional Foul
- PSDT interfered in a 5 on 0 overlap in an offside position and then intercepted - from which Saf eventually score try (14 point turnaround )
- Savea was head high tackled by Etzebeth (unpunished)
- Savea was head high tackled by PSDT (unpunished)
- plus add your own minor everyday quibbles here .... that your own one eye spots. E.g. a Malherbe bind or 2, a minor Faf head high on Beauden , an Etzebeth neck roll, a Faf shepherd on Bridge to allow Kolbe nearly try, horseshit lineout penalty against whitelock, harsh rolling away penalty on Laulala milked.... etc - are on my list.
People are making videos about AB ref bias. Unbelievable! After this game ?!?!?
Pick your battles better, like a game where NZ actually did get the rub of the green.
Something about the South African psyche goes hand in hand with the kind of bitterness that goes into making one of these vids. We kiwis can't be arsed even when we lose to a dodgy ref, we just have a quick whinge then move on with our lives.
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@mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@Rapido said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:It really does reveal the 'narrative' is irrelevant to what actually happens on the pitch. Divorced from reality.
In a game in which:
- Mapimpi avoided yellow card for a Professional Foul
- PSDT interfered in a 5 on 0 overlap in an offside position and then intercepted - from which Saf eventually score try (14 point turnaround )
- Savea was head high tackled by Etzebeth (unpunished)
- Savea was head high tackled by PSDT (unpunished)
- plus add your own minor everyday quibbles here .... that your own one eye spots. E.g. a Malherbe bind or 2, a minor Faf head high on Beauden , an Etzebeth neck roll, a Faf shepherd on Bridge to allow Kolbe nearly try, horseshit lineout penalty against whitelock, harsh rolling away penalty on Laulala milked.... etc - are on my list.
People are making videos about AB ref bias. Unbelievable! After this game ?!?!?
Pick your battles better, like a game where NZ actually did get the rub of the green.
Something about the South African psyche goes hand in hand with the kind of bitterness that goes into making one of these vids. We kiwis can't be arsed even when we lose to a dodgy ref, we just have a quick whinge then move on with our lives.
Ever heard of this Pommy ref Barnes?
Or this Irish dude that could have died?
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@Siam said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@mofitzy_ Not sure all SAFFA rugby fans are like this.... A bit of a dickish generalisation about a great rugby nation and it's people actually if I'm being honest
Fair enough. But if we are being honest, there is a reason why that Spitting Image song was made.
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I think the first 3 scrums show a pretty clear PK.
To the AB's.
The Bok prop alters his bind to Moody's arm and then exerts downward pressure. He had an excellent long bind, and then in each case he released and went onto Moody's elbow. Of course Moody's elbow went down to the ground, it had nowhere else to go. I suspect Garces saw the elbow on the ground, was not sure which team was infringing and so with the ball at the back he just played on.
The 2 scrums cited where SA got on top and the video make claimed a PK were ridiculous. The AB's went backwards but did not infringe. They did very well to get the ball out of the scrum asap to avoid a PK.
Both knockons were very marginal and should have been let go - I thought so at the time. I also thought the A Smith one might have been a knockon, though probably it was . To be consistent, having called the other two, Garces probably should called the A Smith one.
The in the side offences aren't really comparable. It's apples to oranges.
The first SA one shows the Bok player coming in from the side and going right onto the ball (he also went straight onto his hands as well, but that is by the by). Had he been allowed to profit from his in the side, his team would have probably won the ball. The other examples are very different.
The Moody one was in the side, but it was to clear out a player who was already ineffective and the ball won. I can easily see a ref just waving that on. Marginal shoulder charge that happens in just about every ruck. Not great, but hardly worth worrying about.
The Coles one certainly looks bad (and was very material because it cleared out a player on the ball) but probably wasn't in the side. He get's one foot behind the last part of the tackle before making contact with the tackle. That is enough in my view to not be in the side.
I haven't gone through the game on slow motion, but I refuse to believe that only the AB's were coming in the side to clear out like that. In fact, if they were the only team doing it, that could be seen as an indictment on the Boks for not reading the situation properly.
Notably not shown are:
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The first PK the Boks got, in which the jackler clearly went off his feet and played the ball;
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The dubious lineout PK against Whitelock, which should have been a Free Kick To NZ (not bringing the jumper down safely);
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The non YC given when 5m from the line;
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The 3-4 high tackles from the Boks that were not picked up.
So the video is a bit of right, a bit of wrong, but mainly just a lot of yawn. Anyone with enough time, and an axe to grind can make a video like this after every test match showing "grievances".
Frankly I wonder if the video might have been made by a fan from another country to troll the South African fans a little bit.
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I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.
That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.
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@antipodean said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.
That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.
You are so magnanimous when we win
I love a good stereotype
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@mariner4life said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:@antipodean said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.
That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.
You are so magnanimous when we win
I love a good stereotype
I'm a great bloke. Modest too.
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@mofitzy_ said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:Gets tiring when they comment everywhere including official AB, RWC, and WR pages though. Even if it's a vocal minority, they are really vocal.
The quiet Australians aren’t doing it.
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@antipodean said in RWC: All Blacks v South Africa (Pool
:I think we're all better off having a laugh and moving on. I'm not going to brush a whole country with the idiot brush based on internet comments and videos from 0.0001% of their population.
That even extends to Australians despite the existence of GAGR.
I will though. Can I huh? Can I? Can I?
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Finally watched it. I'm less confident now than when I actually only knew the result. I actually think the South Africans have been the better side. I think their forwards beat us, and they created more on attack. We had 7 good minutes and fuck all else.
Great tries though, both rippers created from fuck all. But for the rest of the game the ABs couldn't do much against that outside in defense.
The South Africans should take the lesson that they look better with a bit of width on the game, and feed their outsides.
I need to say, for all I call the Irish boring, 33 minutes of the first half was turgid trench warfare rugby of the worst kind. The opening of the 2nd half where the saffers cut us up was the best bit of the whole game.
Still, the ability to settle and kill the game was a pretty good positive.
