Super Rugby 2020
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Bovidae it’s seems Sky are desperate to screen the higher end product so they can sell it offshore ..that way, they get extra money which funds the Mitre 10 cup..
It seems to me organisation’s like the NZRFU and the NRL live from hand to mouth, crazy when you think the NZRFU wage bill is $ 93 million ..
Very little saved for a rainy day..
One Union who is much maligned is Auckland, but you have got to give them a ton of credit for having some cash set aside for a rainy day having just propped up their clubs with extra cash.. full credit to Auckland as Fitzy would say..Well you're flat out wrong, NZR have a war chest of 80~90 million or so. The only Union in the world to have anything like that from what I've read. They most certainly save (and very cleverly) for a rainy day. But, like most businesses, almost an entire year without revenue is not sustainable. They could burn through that warchest in a year, and then have nothing. That is what they are trying to avoid.
The M10 Cup is a loss leader for Sky and NZR. If you've nothig else to sell, then why put it out there when it is only going to cost money to do so?
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@Tim said in Super Rugby 2020:
Sky's market cap at the moment is NZ$124M. I wonder what price someone like Spark would need to pay to buy control, and make a big step towards controlling the NZ TV market?
But the TV deal with NZ Rugby is worth more than the market capitalisation. So the answer is probably a lot more than that.
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@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
Chatted to a contact a Sky Sport this morning,
Sky is hoping If we are at a level 1 lockdown by June 1st , there will be a super rugby comp up and running within 2-3 weeks involving the 5 NZ super rugby teams and depending on the circumstances in Australia in and around border crossing , it could possibly involve the Australian teams...
If all this happens, a Mitre 10 Cup competition will go ahead..
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
Much will depend on how Covid 19 plays out.Honestly, I think that would be a really poor decision from Sky/NZRU. If it is safe to play Mitre 10 Cup, they should do so. Of course you can't afford/don't want to lose money right now. However, Mitre 10 would be a lot more popular if All Blacks were playing in it and it was the only rugby on.
If it is safe to play, they have to give the fans something. Otherwise people should just switch off.
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80 - 90 million is hardly a war chest when your wage bill is $93 million , and you have had no turnover in what will possibly be 3 months by the 26th June and you are wanting to slice your provincial comp..to me that’s the sign of business that’s been in trouble for a very long time..
Auckland on the hand have had to live from hand to mouth , but have still managed to put some money aside for their stakeholders ,the clubsWhat is NZ rugby put on the table for their stakeholders at Mitre 10 level..nothing , because their war chest is their to cover their own arses.
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So the money given by NZR (every year, and this year extra) to SR and M10 and community is 'covering their own arses'? Bollox. NZR have been upfront for years that the international rugby model is unsustainable for NZ. They can't compete with NH mega-bucks. Compared to any other RU they've done fucking well to keep most top ABs and win a fair amount of stuff, at the same time as building up that much money. Look at the rest of the world, they're all worse off as far as i can see - esp our SH brethren. The English are going broke, just 4 years after their RWC< just like Oz did. Wasting money on artificaial turf etc. NZR was clever with their windfalls, using the money markets to make even more. NZR are paying for the M10 units to stay alive, without them they'd be dead - with no TV deal. M10 loses money so NZR pay for it via their deal with Sky. I really have no idea what they could have done better with the card they've been dealt.
But NZR is dead unless we have a re-jig of the international picture/ CV19 has done that, hopefully to our benefit, otherwise NZ is fucked in a professional money world, and un televised club and regional rugby will be our max.
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This recent article suggests that NZR have been forward-thinking and are not just about the here and now by taking WR cash handouts.
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@Steven-Harris Does Auckland not have any liability with the Eden Park debt?
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@Steven-Harris haha if only I had time for that. The industry I’m in is at record breaking level so it’s been work work work unfortunately. I’m actually looking forward to club rugby more than super rugby. Would love to see super rugby players play club rugby.
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@hydro11 said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Steven-Harris said in Super Rugby 2020:
Chatted to a contact a Sky Sport this morning,
Sky is hoping If we are at a level 1 lockdown by June 1st , there will be a super rugby comp up and running within 2-3 weeks involving the 5 NZ super rugby teams and depending on the circumstances in Australia in and around border crossing , it could possibly involve the Australian teams...
If all this happens, a Mitre 10 Cup competition will go ahead..
If the Super Rugby comp does not go ahead ,nor does Mitre 10cup rugby..
Much will depend on how Covid 19 plays out.Honestly, I think that would be a really poor decision from Sky/NZRU. If it is safe to play Mitre 10 Cup, they should do so. Of course you can't afford/don't want to lose money right now. However, Mitre 10 would be a lot more popular if All Blacks were playing in it and it was the only rugby on.
If it is safe to play, they have to give the fans something. Otherwise people should just switch off.
They seems to be basing their assumptions about viewing figures and costs on the pre-COVID 19 world. If M10 Cup is the only rugby played in NZ this year (i.e. no SR or test matches due to travel restrictions), then why wouldn't the M10 cup see a big uptick in viewing figures and revenue (at least domestically)?
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@Bovidae It's heartening to hear that. After three decades of supporting Australian rugby electing to leave SANZAAR and throwing our lot in with a Trans Ta$man setup would be tying a millstone around the neck of New Zealand rugby.
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I would like to see an NZ Super-6 this year. 5x current franchises plus get a best of the rest/PI team going.
Can't for the life of me see why the hell they want to have just five teams, therefore meaning one bye per round. Three games per week is a clearly better product to sell.If the Aussies can get their 4 teams, plus the Force, plus maybe the Fijian Drua or Sunwolves to make up their 6. Each country can play their Super-6 with a cross-over 1v2 semi into a grand final for the newly minted Triple-T (Trans Ta$man Trophy). That would be the extent of playing games with Austraya.
As for the NPC - the Chiefs region had a sort of round robin with the teams from within their region this year (I think this year). Going forward - maybe this has to be the answer for everyone (minimises travel, reduce costs, replicates what happens at schoolboy level)
Blues region - Northland, Harbour, Auckland (could the Akld union be split into East & West for this?)
Chiefs - Counties, Waikato, BOP, Taranaki
Hurricanes - Manawatu, Hawkes Bay, Wellington (can WGTN be split North/South)
South Island - Ta$man, Canterbury, Otago, Southland
Quarters between 1 & 2 from across the pools (randomly drawn, but in such a way you wouldn't play a team from your pool in quarters)
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@westcoastie said in Super Rugby 2020:
I would like to see an NZ Super-6 this year. 5x current franchises plus get a best of the rest/PI team going.
Can't for the life of me see why the hell they want to have just five teams, therefore meaning one bye per round. Three games per week is a clearly better product to sell.If the Aussies can get their 4 teams, plus the Force, plus maybe the Fijian Drua or Sunwolves to make up their 6. Each country can play their Super-6 with a cross-over 1v2 semi into a grand final for the newly minted Triple-T (Trans Ta$man Trophy). That would be the extent of playing games with Austraya.
As for the NPC - the Chiefs region had a sort of round robin with the teams from within their region this year (I think this year). Going forward - maybe this has to be the answer for everyone (minimises travel, reduce costs, replicates what happens at schoolboy level)
Blues region - Northland, Harbour, Auckland (could the Akld union be split into East & West for this?)
Chiefs - Counties, Waikato, BOP, Taranaki
Hurricanes - Manawatu, Hawkes Bay, Wellington (can WGTN be split North/South)
South Island - Ta$man, Canterbury, Otago, Southland
Quarters between 1 & 2 from across the pools (randomly drawn, but in such a way you wouldn't play a team from your pool in quarters)
Semis & Final.Best of the rest will get destroyed. Plus you have to pay all the players and set everything up. The players will probably want byes and won't be able to play 10 weeks of derbies in a row.
I don't really have an interest in just playing local teams for the NPC. It might minimise costs but it will also minimise interest.
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@westcoastie said in Super Rugby 2020:
Blues region - Northland, Harbour, Auckland (could the Akld union be split into East & West for this?)
they split Auckland in age group level for inter-franchise stuff already I think...and used to for the likes of Roller Mills
As much as I'd love to return to the glory days of NPC, I think NZR have come too far and let it wither away to the point they cant go back to itbeing the main comp in NZ, or really any more important of one than it is currently
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@KiwiMurph said in Super Rugby 2020:
@Tim a 4 team semi final for a 5 team comp seems overkill but I suppose it's all about squeezing games/revenue in.
the least they could do is have a 4/5 playoff to get into the semis
ps - stink if you're the 5th team. IT woulda been the Blues for ages ... hopefully not this year
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