Super Rugby 2020
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There's plenty of reasons why teams would have a higher penalty count in a certain area.
That said, when South African refs control local games between South African teams and international opponents, the SA team has won the penalty count on 27 of 29 occasions.
That's not a great stat if I was a SANZAAR ref coach.
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Would be interesting to see the stats for three of the years with neutral refs.
I'd think Saffas rely more on being more physically dominant and forcing penalties while also being less inclined to "take the advantage" while under penalty advantage.
Still the raw stats don't look great.
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I really have taken Mark Reason's articles in the past as crap but he maybe correct in this Article.
[link text](link url)https://www.stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/super-rugby/119601400/mark-reason-the-referees-who-threaten-rugbys-health -
@Chris When his conclusion relies on his "analysis", I ignore it.
In the four games involving Kiwi teams at the weekend just gone, I counted around forty high or dangerous tackles (several from the opposition, particularly the Sunwolves). There was one yellow card and four penalties. That means about one in ten dangerous tackles is being penalised.No Reason, that's not what it means.
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@Chris said in Super Rugby 2020:
Mark Reason's articles in the past as crap but he maybe correct in this Article.
well if you fire as many shots as he does, you are bound to hit some good ones now and again, even if they are still off target!
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Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
A letter to Andy Marinos - Green & Gold Rugby
Below is a letter we’ve sent to Andy Marinos, the current Chief Executive Officer of SANZAAR, regarding some concerns we have around the refereeing of Super Rugby in recent years. Mr Andy Marinos Chief Executive Office SANZAAR Dear Andy: I write to you on behalf of the readers of the biggest...
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@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
A letter to Andy Marinos - Green & Gold Rugby
Below is a letter we’ve sent to Andy Marinos, the current Chief Executive Officer of SANZAAR, regarding some concerns we have around the refereeing of Super Rugby in recent years. Mr Andy Marinos Chief Executive Office SANZAAR Dear Andy: I write to you on behalf of the readers of the biggest...
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
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Marinos doesn't do himself any favors with his reply.
How many years have we been complaining about the 'merit' ref (i.e., save us some money) system? Look at this yoga babble:
People are always producing statistics, but we will at the right time communicate our view on where we are from a competition perspective and the performances of our referees. I just don't understand where, all of sudden, after 10 years of meritocracy, suddenly now neutrality becomes an issue because a team, or teams, are suddenly are now feeling aggrieved by processes
SANZAAR responds to damning research on 'hometown' referees
SANZAAR say numbers uncovered by Green and Gold Rugby around hometown referees "need to be validated" and that the current outcry from the Australian rugby community is reactionary.
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@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2020:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
A letter to Andy Marinos - Green & Gold Rugby
Below is a letter we’ve sent to Andy Marinos, the current Chief Executive Officer of SANZAAR, regarding some concerns we have around the refereeing of Super Rugby in recent years. Mr Andy Marinos Chief Executive Office SANZAAR Dear Andy: I write to you on behalf of the readers of the biggest...
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
Even had the gall to call it analysis. Didn't see anything testing the null hypothesis. Perhaps that was an addendum.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
@mariner4life said in Super Rugby 2020:
@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
Another shot fired at SANZAAR and South African refs:
A letter to Andy Marinos - Green & Gold Rugby
Below is a letter we’ve sent to Andy Marinos, the current Chief Executive Officer of SANZAAR, regarding some concerns we have around the refereeing of Super Rugby in recent years. Mr Andy Marinos Chief Executive Office SANZAAR Dear Andy: I write to you on behalf of the readers of the biggest...
that is a terrifically entitled and needy little letter there
Even had the gall to call it analysis. Didn't see anything testing the null hypothesis. Perhaps that was an addendum.
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ. Did they link to the raw data? If so, I could run it (and check assumptions) pretty quickly.
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@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2020:
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ.
And could that be blown out by a particular ref like Egon Seconds... Why not include data from 2016? Does it account for the teams involved etc.
It's not as simple as a count divided by games as we know teams change tactics for opposition and are they giving away penalties chasing games etc.
There's an awful lot of variables to account for unless it's obvious. Like how Rasta is a shit ref and Egon's a clear cheat.
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@antipodean said in Super Rugby 2020:
@gt12 said in Super Rugby 2020:
Although I see your point, I'd be shocked if a one-way ANOVA didn't show a significant result for that sample between SA versus NZ and OZ.
And could that be blown out by a particular ref like Egon Seconds... Why not include data from 2016? Does it account for the teams involved etc.
It's not as simple as a count divided by games as we know teams change tactics for opposition and are they giving away penalties chasing games etc.
There's an awful lot of variables to account for unless it's obvious. Like how Rasta is a shit ref and Egon's a clear cheat.
Easy enough to remove him as well if he is an outlier.
Equally, your point about him being a cheat could be supported by comparing his reffing in local versus local vs non local games.
I'm guessing there is no link to the raw data though.
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@Bones said in Super Rugby 2020:
What I don't get is these home refs are supposedly to save money. Why was AJ Jacobs in Aus in the weekend?
Technically, I think it was put in as a 'merit' system (i.e., was supposedly about reffing quality), but it seems to be to many of us really about cost cutting and perhaps also because at one time there were too many kiwi refs. I can't find any sources which talked about it beingintroduced to help with costs, only ones which talk about it as a merit system.
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@barbarian said in Super Rugby 2020:
It's a pretty weird response. The point about Gardner is nonsensical, what does it have to do with referee neutrality?
The concept of "perception = reality" is something that is totally missed by SANZAAR
