All Blacks vs Tonga
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@antipodean said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Hard to know what to read into that selection.
No Ioane, no midfield cover and Pat T ahead of Barrett probably the most interesting points.Jordie will be midfield cover. Pat is better than Scott. Scott's never dominated a game like Pat did against Australia.
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Based on "you're only as good as your last game", I am.
While that gets said a lot im not sure it is the best basis to assess anything on. It ignores too many factors.
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Like the look of the team.
Opportunity for :
BFA and Scott Barrett to bounce back from the disappointment of Perth.
Reece and Bridge to nail down starting roles Vs Boks.
Crotty and ALB to establish themselves as the first-choice starting midfield for RWC.
Beauden Barrett to remind everyone what a good First-Five he is.
The Tight Five to send out a signal.
Jordie Barrett to prove the haters and doubters wrong.
Jacobson to get on the park for the All Blacks in front of his hometown mates.
Josh Ioane to make his ABs debut.
Reado, Crotty, BFA and Todd to play their last games in NZ. -
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@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
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@sparky said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
BFA and Scott Barrett to bounce back from the disappointment of Perth.
Reece and Bridge to nail down starting roles Vs Boks.
Crotty and ALB to establish themselves as the first-choice starting midfield for RWC.
Beauden Barrett to remind everyone what a good First-Five he is.
The Tight Five to send out a signal.
Jordie Barrett to prove the haters and doubters wrong.it is my very real belief that not one of these is dependent on this weekend.
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Anyone believe that the team won't collectively come out of this weekend looking good? It's an opposed training run where people with minor niggles aren't being risked.
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@Gunner said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@sparky said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Opportunity for :
Crotty and ALB to establish themselves as the first-choice starting midfield for RWC.
I think Messers Williams and Goodhue will likely have something to say about that.
Be something odd if they didn't. Fierce competition for places in the midfield.
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@mariner4life said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@KiwiMurph said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@kiwiinmelb I'd imagine both Josh and Jordie will get time at 10 in the second half. They might both spend time at 10/15.
this would be monumentally stupid
Foster is in charge of the backs isn't he?
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@Bovidae said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
BFA needs a big game if he is to force his way into the starting XV.
I will be interested in what positions SB, Jacobson and JB play when they take the field.
I suspect if we have a lead Whitelock and Read will be replaced. Scott to lock and Jacobson to blindside.
Given the niggles in the camp who is selected is not surprising. Plus if history is to go by, a huge risk playing SBW and Crotty in the same 23
Jordie covering midfield, wing and fullback.
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@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
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Hansen confirmed that Rieko Ioane, the other outside back casualty at Eden Park recently, was not considered due to a tight calf and neither was Sonny Bill Williams, due to a similar issue. Sam Cane (tight hamstring), Jack Goodhue (hamstring) and Richie Mo'unga (sore shoulder) are the other absentees.https://www.nzherald.co.nz/rugby/news/article.cfm?c_id=80&objectid=12265160
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@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
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I am still surprised they haven't looked at Bridge on the right wing. Maybe the injury to Ioane has prevented that in this test, but it seems that it is Bridge or Ioane on the left and BFA or Reece on the right. Ioane did play on the right wing for the Blues in at least one game IIRC.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
He's not as grossly out of form as being made out and Reece was fortunate to play behind a dominant AB pack in B2. He may not have looked so good in B1 without front foot ball.
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@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
He's not as grossly out of form as being made out and Reece was fortunate to play behind a dominant AB pack in B2. He may not have looked so good in B1 without front foot ball.
Yep, Rieko would have had a field day behind that forward performance too. Showed in the Auckland game he's not lost any pace.
I think Rieko can play both sides, so instead of moving Bridge to a position he possibly can't play, I'd move Rieko. Those two (who both defend waaaay better than Reece) would be my top picks.
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@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
He's not as grossly out of form as being made out and Reece was fortunate to play behind a dominant AB pack in B2. He may not have looked so good in B1 without front foot ball.
Yep, Rieko would have had a field day behind that forward performance too. Showed in the Auckland game he's not lost any pace.
I think Rieko can play both sides, so instead of moving Bridge to a position he possibly can't play, I'd move Rieko. Those two (who both defend waaaay better than Reece) would be my top picks.
Reece's (Buttercups) defence was faultless against Aussie, wasn't it?
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
He's not as grossly out of form as being made out and Reece was fortunate to play behind a dominant AB pack in B2. He may not have looked so good in B1 without front foot ball.
Yep, Rieko would have had a field day behind that forward performance too. Showed in the Auckland game he's not lost any pace.
I think Rieko can play both sides, so instead of moving Bridge to a position he possibly can't play, I'd move Rieko. Those two (who both defend waaaay better than Reece) would be my top picks.
Reece's (Buttercups) defence was faultless against Aussie, wasn't it?
I was watching Smith screaming at him from the stands telling where to stand when we defending a lineout. He looked super confused.
And in super rugby his tackling was poor, his missed tackle stats were not great.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Kirwan said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
He's not as grossly out of form as being made out and Reece was fortunate to play behind a dominant AB pack in B2. He may not have looked so good in B1 without front foot ball.
Yep, Rieko would have had a field day behind that forward performance too. Showed in the Auckland game he's not lost any pace.
I think Rieko can play both sides, so instead of moving Bridge to a position he possibly can't play, I'd move Rieko. Those two (who both defend waaaay better than Reece) would be my top picks.
Reece's (Buttercups) defence was faultless against Aussie, wasn't it?
Yeah, he had good defence in that match, but he hasn't always defended well.
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@Hooroo said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Nepia said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@ACT-Crusader said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@Canerbry said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
@pukunui said in All Blacks vs Tonga:
Im definitely not sold on the Bridge/Reece combo.
Why is that?
To clarify that probably should have been followed by “as our first choice combo”
I just don’t think it is the best one we can put on the park. Ioane/Smith still #1 for me if BB is at 15.
If Smith is at 15 i would have Bridge in the conversation for 14 but they don’t seem to want to play him there.
With Reece i just don’t rate him that highly yet. He hasn’t done anything in an AB wingers jersey that someone like Jordie hasn’t and he was about as good in Super rugby as Ben Lam was a season or two back. For now i put him firmly in the “flashy new toy” category.
The great thing about flashy new toys is that you only need them for Christmas/New Year period. We only need Reece to perform at the RWC and then let’s see where it goes.
I'd prefer we rely on Ioane (who's performed for a couple of years now and his drop in form has been blown way out of proportion) and Bridge who looks to be the next long term Ben Smith/Cory Jane style player.
I'd prefer we rely on the form winger rather than the grossly out of form winger.
The way Bridge hunted out the ball during the last Bled was enough for me to want to see a lot more of that
Where does this grossly out of form thing come from? He has only played two games for the ABs this season. He wasn’t great against the Boks when he kept dropping the ball but lets not forget Bridge came on and shat the bed letting the boks score at the end. Then he played against Aus in perth where he wasn’t bad despite to forwards getting embarrassed.
It’s not fair to translate his up and down super season into his test “form” because he was playing in a joke of a Blues team and still scored 9 tries.
