NBA season 2019/20
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The thing with this doco, is that they have a massively wide-ranging audience. There are some non-bball fans or high-level fans watching who love the background stories, the personal stuff, the high school and college bits, the baseball season and the stuff about his dad.
Personally, that is not what I signed up for.
It's called The Last Dance, supposedly full of inside footage of the final season. But what has become clear is that they have stretched footage designed for a 60-90 minute doco into a 10 part series, and they've padded it with stacks of old footage and storylines that we have seen before.
The new interviews are great, but what I really want to see at least from here is the true behind the scene footage of this Indiana series and then the finals. Footage from every game then what happens afterwards. How they prepared for the next game, adjustments made etc.
I don't think I'll get this, but I'll keep watching anyway.
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
I disagree. I prefer they not fluff up the story with needless shit about his kids and his former wife.
Each to their own. I don't need a full episode on his personal life, but a mention of a wedding (who was best man? Did he invite any teammates?), having his first child at the peak of his fame, how he lived life away from the court is at least relevant to understanding him as a human being.
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@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo I have a feeling you might get more of this for the last episode. If you assume episode 9 will be 98 Indiana/97 Finals series v Utah and the final episode will be 100% 98 Finals series v Utah.
I would LOVE that
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark if he's really the #2 player int he league, then the Bulls are a genuine title threat without MJ. They absolutely were not.
2 great episodes. And only 2 left for 2 great series? I am going to feel a little cheated.
First time you had people from teh Bulls outwardly saying he was an asshole. and then comes the "but..."
I love MJ even more now than i did before.
I love watching these great teams and thinking about what can be learned from them and applied to rugby (specifically the ABs). Without having any specific knowledge, I'm looking at recent AB teams (last 4 years) and wondering if there has been a guy (or guys) like MJ consistently pushing high standards throughout the team and, more importantly, pushing them hard.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
The thing with this doco, is that they have a massively wide-ranging audience. There are some non-bball fans or high-level fans watching who love the background stories, the personal stuff, the high school and college bits, the baseball season and the stuff about his dad.
Personally, that is not what I signed up for.
It's called The Last Dance, supposedly full of inside footage of the final season. But what has become clear is that they have stretched footage designed for a 60-90 minute doco into a 10 part series, and they've padded it with stacks of old footage and storylines that we have seen before.
The new interviews are great, but what I really want to see at least from here is the true behind the scene footage of this Indiana series and then the finals. Footage from every game then what happens afterwards. How they prepared for the next game, adjustments made etc.
I don't think I'll get this, but I'll keep watching anyway.
Agree with this. I think they gloss over some of the individual games and series too often. Also, their narrative around some games seems a little bit off. They present it as an MJ masterclass, where he destroyed his individual opponent and the opposition, but then show a scorecard with an 8-point victory. To me, that suggests there was a bit of a tussle.
Also, I think they missed a bit of a trick in demonstrating the strength of the league as a whole during the 90s. If you watched it, you'd assume that MJ was the only superstar in the league. He wasn't - there were so many great players in the league at that time and you only have to look at who didn't make the Dream Team to demonstrate that.
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@junior its funny because I'm not getting the feeling that he is being portrayed as the only superstar in the league. But I followed his entire career from 87-2001(not saying you didn't) so I'm biased. I think that's also probably why I don't need the family back story as much as others do. I know a lot of that already and it's not important to the story they are trying to tell.
I just think if you were expecting a doco where they were going to tell you about his inner demons etc they covered his gambling and his father's death. That's enough or me. US$168m was paid out to his ex so maybe that's why he's not paying her much lip service.
@barbarian said in NBA season 2019/20:
I don't need a full episode on his personal life, but a mention of a wedding (who was best man? Did he invite any teammates?),
There is no place in sports for Womens Day comments like this:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
There is no place in sports for Womens Day comments like this:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
Normally I'd agree with you but given the way his teammates talk about him in the doco I don't think any of them considered MJ to be their friend. So if he had 250 at his wedding but no teammates I'd find that interesting.
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@barbarian said in NBA season 2019/20:
@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
There is no place in sports for Womens Day comments like this:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
Normally I'd agree with you but given the way his teammates talk about him in the doco I don't think any of them considered MJ to be their friend. So if he had 250 at his wedding but no teammates I'd find that interesting.
That's a comment straight out of Draft Day, great movie!
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I agree its fucken weird there is no family stuff thus far beside his folks and siblings. You'd think he was single throughout, except there is no mention of MJ partying and given he wasn't well liked and he was crazy driven, that's two fold and understandable. My impression is he was almost reclusive, but maybe he was more family oriented than he comes off. It's just fucken strange that aspect of his life is COMPLETELY excluded.
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MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
His boys appeared in ep1
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
I didn't really think it was relevant anyway. A bit of a waste of air time imho
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
Exactly. It's not really supposed to be all about Mike the man. It's really about his team and him as a baller.
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@junior said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
Exactly. It's not really supposed to be all about Mike the man. It's really about his team and him as a baller.
This! His parents are there because they are part of the basketball story. Everyone else is superfluous
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
EVERYTHING else is covered.
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I should say, by no means would i want air time devoted to boring scenes showing Mike walking his kids to school, or laying in bed with a fat stogie after honing out the ex wife, but you'd think there would be something. It's one thing to say they're not part of the basketball story, but to not have featured - bar a brief appearance and one throwaway comnent - thus far in eight episodes which predominantly follow MJ, seems like a deliberate marginalisation.
Wouldn't MJ have said, hey, if you want balance in this doco which has me coming off largely as a prick, how about we show how much I love my kids? And while we're at it, I had some tough times off the court in my marriage too, so maybe that should be part of the narrative?
