NBA season 2019/20
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@Bovidae said in NBA season 2019/20:
I haven't watched the series but I hope they give credit to Tex Winter who was the architect of the triangle offence.
Pippen wasn't even the go-to guy when he moved to Houston and Portland.
Tex gets credit early in the series when there was the whole Doug Collins and Phil Jackson stuff.
On Pip, that Blazers side he was a part of was somewhat of an enigma. A very deep team with a lot of very good players - Smitty, Pip, Sheed, Sabonis, Brian Grant, Stoudamire, Detlef, the Plastic Man, Greg Anthony.
That game 7 against the Lakers In the WCF was a classic where they IMO choked and I guess history tells the story that the franchise never really recovered for over a decade and a half.
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
also, i thought some of the footage of the MJ-less Bulls showed where Kerr learned his playing philosophy, that ball movement looked like the Warriors. It's just at the end of it wasn't a 3.
Definitely. Kerr has said he took a lot from Phil when he made the transition to coaching. And then he’s also taken for Pop and the passing game he had
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@Toddy said in NBA season 2019/20:
I've never really followed the NBA closely but always heard rumours about Jordan being a complete arsehole. So far in The Last Dance I don't think he's come across too bad at all.
Any of you fullas that follow closely have an opinion on what The Last Dance is showing and if it's a true reflection of Jordan?
I've watched seven eps, and I don't think I really know him. I find it really interesting they have made no mention of his family life off the court. In 7 there's a clip of him after winning in 93 and they say 'do you want to call your wife?' and I thought 'he's married?'.
That stuff is pretty relevant to someone's personality, mindset, attitude. But the fact we haven't seen any of it makes it hard to really see him for who he was.
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The thing with this doco, is that they have a massively wide-ranging audience. There are some non-bball fans or high-level fans watching who love the background stories, the personal stuff, the high school and college bits, the baseball season and the stuff about his dad.
Personally, that is not what I signed up for.
It's called The Last Dance, supposedly full of inside footage of the final season. But what has become clear is that they have stretched footage designed for a 60-90 minute doco into a 10 part series, and they've padded it with stacks of old footage and storylines that we have seen before.
The new interviews are great, but what I really want to see at least from here is the true behind the scene footage of this Indiana series and then the finals. Footage from every game then what happens afterwards. How they prepared for the next game, adjustments made etc.
I don't think I'll get this, but I'll keep watching anyway.
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
I disagree. I prefer they not fluff up the story with needless shit about his kids and his former wife.
Each to their own. I don't need a full episode on his personal life, but a mention of a wedding (who was best man? Did he invite any teammates?), having his first child at the peak of his fame, how he lived life away from the court is at least relevant to understanding him as a human being.
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@KiwiMurph said in NBA season 2019/20:
@voodoo I have a feeling you might get more of this for the last episode. If you assume episode 9 will be 98 Indiana/97 Finals series v Utah and the final episode will be 100% 98 Finals series v Utah.
I would LOVE that
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@mariner4life said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark if he's really the #2 player int he league, then the Bulls are a genuine title threat without MJ. They absolutely were not.
2 great episodes. And only 2 left for 2 great series? I am going to feel a little cheated.
First time you had people from teh Bulls outwardly saying he was an asshole. and then comes the "but..."
I love MJ even more now than i did before.
I love watching these great teams and thinking about what can be learned from them and applied to rugby (specifically the ABs). Without having any specific knowledge, I'm looking at recent AB teams (last 4 years) and wondering if there has been a guy (or guys) like MJ consistently pushing high standards throughout the team and, more importantly, pushing them hard.
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
The thing with this doco, is that they have a massively wide-ranging audience. There are some non-bball fans or high-level fans watching who love the background stories, the personal stuff, the high school and college bits, the baseball season and the stuff about his dad.
Personally, that is not what I signed up for.
It's called The Last Dance, supposedly full of inside footage of the final season. But what has become clear is that they have stretched footage designed for a 60-90 minute doco into a 10 part series, and they've padded it with stacks of old footage and storylines that we have seen before.
The new interviews are great, but what I really want to see at least from here is the true behind the scene footage of this Indiana series and then the finals. Footage from every game then what happens afterwards. How they prepared for the next game, adjustments made etc.
I don't think I'll get this, but I'll keep watching anyway.
Agree with this. I think they gloss over some of the individual games and series too often. Also, their narrative around some games seems a little bit off. They present it as an MJ masterclass, where he destroyed his individual opponent and the opposition, but then show a scorecard with an 8-point victory. To me, that suggests there was a bit of a tussle.
Also, I think they missed a bit of a trick in demonstrating the strength of the league as a whole during the 90s. If you watched it, you'd assume that MJ was the only superstar in the league. He wasn't - there were so many great players in the league at that time and you only have to look at who didn't make the Dream Team to demonstrate that.
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@junior its funny because I'm not getting the feeling that he is being portrayed as the only superstar in the league. But I followed his entire career from 87-2001(not saying you didn't) so I'm biased. I think that's also probably why I don't need the family back story as much as others do. I know a lot of that already and it's not important to the story they are trying to tell.
I just think if you were expecting a doco where they were going to tell you about his inner demons etc they covered his gambling and his father's death. That's enough or me. US$168m was paid out to his ex so maybe that's why he's not paying her much lip service.
@barbarian said in NBA season 2019/20:
I don't need a full episode on his personal life, but a mention of a wedding (who was best man? Did he invite any teammates?),
There is no place in sports for Womens Day comments like this:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
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@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
There is no place in sports for Womens Day comments like this:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
Normally I'd agree with you but given the way his teammates talk about him in the doco I don't think any of them considered MJ to be their friend. So if he had 250 at his wedding but no teammates I'd find that interesting.
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@barbarian said in NBA season 2019/20:
@raznomore said in NBA season 2019/20:
There is no place in sports for Womens Day comments like this:face_with_stuck-out_tongue_closed_eyes:
Normally I'd agree with you but given the way his teammates talk about him in the doco I don't think any of them considered MJ to be their friend. So if he had 250 at his wedding but no teammates I'd find that interesting.
That's a comment straight out of Draft Day, great movie!
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I agree its fucken weird there is no family stuff thus far beside his folks and siblings. You'd think he was single throughout, except there is no mention of MJ partying and given he wasn't well liked and he was crazy driven, that's two fold and understandable. My impression is he was almost reclusive, but maybe he was more family oriented than he comes off. It's just fucken strange that aspect of his life is COMPLETELY excluded.
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MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
His boys appeared in ep1
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@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
I didn't really think it was relevant anyway. A bit of a waste of air time imho
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@voodoo said in NBA season 2019/20:
@shark said in NBA season 2019/20:
MJ is prepared to let them run stuff around his gambling, his father's death, his aborted and ultimately failed tilt at baseball and generally allow himself to be portrayed as an asshole, but can't or won't talk about his ex? Hell, I'm not even 100% sure he has kids.
It's a fucking weird balance.
He has never been shy with his family info. Anyone who has followed him closely over the years knows about his wife and boys.
Why does he need to go into it again for this doco???
Exactly. It's not really supposed to be all about Mike the man. It's really about his team and him as a baller.
