Bledisloe #1
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@Tim, Akira only has himself to blame, nobody else ..no question he has talent..but when it comes to attitude and work ethic..it’s way down the pecking order..!
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@Siam said in Bledisloe #1:
@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
Point of order here young man. If you're not outraged by those fluffybunnies putting 40 plus on us, then you're no use at all to the rank and file of the diehard All Black fan.
It's one thing for an All Black to not score tries.
It's another thing for an All Black to not fucken tackle!
Take your soy and jog on!
This is an humiliating loss.
Don't worry, I'm upset by the loss, esp because it's against the Aussie. But the outrage and esp the blame game is excessive.
And how about the shit play since last Rugby Championship?
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Who's looking forward to the glass cannon combination of SBW + Crotty we're going to get for the next game?
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@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan Ah, you think I'm talking about you again.
You don’t move good tacklers from their position to hide them.
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Forget the performance for a minute
ABs have gotten away with playing poorly for last 2 years and have won
The simple fact All Blacks conceded FOURTY SEVEN points is enough to stage an intervention
NZ have been by far the best side in World Rugby this decade
To then concede 47 points is shocking and utterly disgraceful
Guys are likely to get dropped as a result
Say Scott Barrett gets a 6 game ban, he only gets onto the plane to Japan because of Brodie Retalicks shoulder injury
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@Jaguares4real said in Bledisloe #1:
Forget the performance for a minute
ABs have gotten away with playing poorly for last 2 years and have won
The simple fact All Blacks conceded FOURTY SEVEN points is enough to stage an intervention
NZ have been by far the best side in World Rugby this decade
To then concede 47 points is shocking and utterly disgraceful
Guys are likely to get dropped as a result
Say Scott Barrett gets a 6 game ban, he only gets onto the plane to Japan because of Brodie Retalicks shoulder injury
I doubt they’ll change a thing. The coaches are pretty arrogant.
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Does really suck that they played so awfully in a match honoring SBL.
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@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
Yep, Luatua, vs Fifita who openly didn’t want to do the hard yards FFS....
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I was a fan of the twin playmakers until tonight. We need more creativity and direction at 10 and 12 in big tests. Mo'unga and Laumape defended well, but do not seem to create well in tighter spaces, and our defensive patterns seem shakier. Barrett still creates plenty and ALB creates gaps with footwork and offloads. Get Beauden back to 10 please.
Why do seem to lose our attacking confidence whenever Retallick is missing?
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@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
Does really suck that they played so awfully in a match honoring SBL.
I was thinking when some douchebag yelled out Go The ABs during the minutes silence it was going to be a bad night.
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Also: that fucking stadium rocks out with its cock out. Some seriously awesome tech in that setup.
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@ARHS said in Bledisloe #1:
Barrett still creates plenty and ALB creates gaps with footwork and offloads. Get Beauden back to 10 please.
I still find it amazing that, a few games out from RWC2019, we are still unsure of our best team and combination.
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@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
After the way he played against the Lions I really thought the AB coaches would be all over him, moulding him into a Kaino-style 6. I mean the AB coaches are meant to be the best around, surely we could expect them to make the most of the talent we have available? Add that to the fact they’ve persevered with people like Fifita and it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
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A few things stood out for me even accounting for the Red Card
No apparent game plan
Stupid chip kicks
A desire to go wide too early instead of doing the Hard yards up front.
Savea and Cane does not work we need a power forward at 6
Put Barrett back to First Five Ritchie back to the bench
we need RM and Ardies impact from the bench against tiring defences
Sorry I love Bender but he's too slow for wing
Finisher on the other wing maybe Reece need some X factor
And I hate to admit it but maybe SBW back as a point of difference.
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@No-Quarter said in Bledisloe #1:
After the way he played against the Lions I really thought the AB coaches would be all over him, moulding him into a Kaino-style 6. I mean the AB coaches are meant to be the best around, surely we could expect them to make the most of the talent we have available? Add that to the fact they’ve preserved with people like Fifita and it doesn’t make a lot of sense.
Yep, the idea that Fifita has a better workrate or fitness than Ioane is insane.
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@Stargazer said in Bledisloe #1:
Ah, another TSF meltdown. Everyone completely overreacting as usual.
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
I haven’t seen anything positive enough in these last three games to fill me with any sort of confidence.
Forgive me if I’m not singing from the rooftops.
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Very keen to hear the press conferences on this one. Hansen has been saying that the Bledisloe and RWC prep are the only two goals this domestic season. Just like he said the Irish fixture would decide the world number one team once and for all and how the Lions series was the pinnacle of International Rugby.
Hansen keeps setting these goals yet failing at the hurdle and then trotting out the "It's just rugby, the sun will rise tomorrow, they were the better team etc etc"
I genuinely believe we have the cattle to retain the Bledisloe and win the RWC and the tactial and selection issues can be resolved fairly quickly on the back of a napkin having a couple of beers with Wayne Smith - it looks ugly but it's not catastrophic. The psychological issues in the team I'm not so sure, there are two groups that seem to be contributing to the malaise at the moment...
The Tew/Hansen/Read types who have cemented their legacy and will be nowhere to be found when it comes time to mopping up an RWC exit. Hasnen also better have a good look at Titch - one minute you are the very definition of a world class coach, the next minute you are so far off the pace Japan are touching you up.
The Barrett/Smith/Smith/SBW types who won a RWC on the backs of the old guard but seemingly feel like they played a bigger role than they did. They are now the old guard and are providing none of the leadership and stability which is needed.
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@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
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@rotated I think we are capable of beating anyone , but don’t think there is a gap between us and our rivals anymore.
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E African Troll Bannedreplied to Tim on 10 Aug 2019, 12:10 last edited by E African Troll 10 Aug 2019, 13:36
@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
Luatua was fucked over
Guy has been carving it up for Bristol in English Prem
He would walk into ABs #6 shirt today
He's a much better player than Teddy Bear Fifita, Frizell and SquirePiatau as well would do a good job at wing
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83-28. That stat is the Aussie vs ABs starting forwards no. of carries. I know stats of possession are heavily in favour of Aussies but I have been harking into this for a while. Modern defences can handle us a little better. We struggle to make in-roads because we no threats! Moody and Franks 1 combined carry!!!!
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Victor Meldrewreplied to rotated on 10 Aug 2019, 12:11 last edited by Victor Meldrew 10 Aug 2019, 12:12
Having been a wee bit crap for the last 2 years, I thought the AB's played really bloody well in the 2nd half to win at Twickenham in Nov '18. Took guts, leadership and a collective team performance.
I thought that perhaps a corner had been turned.
How wrong I was.
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@98blueandgold I've thought that Hansen plays favourites for a long time. It's pretty shocking how bad those two are.
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that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
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@hydro11 said in Bledisloe #1:
@Mokey said in Bledisloe #1:
@Kirwan That is seriously scary. It's hard to remember when they last played such a terrible all round game to the point of screwing up the basics like ball retention and not kicking it away all the time. Add in shite discipline...and yeah.
We have played much worse games than this IMO. The win against Argentina was a worse performance for sure.
Don't think the defence was as poor in that game.
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@98blueandgold said in Bledisloe #1:
83-28. That stat is the Aussie vs ABs starting forwards no. of carries. I know stats of possession are heavily in favour of Aussies but I have been harking into this for a while. Modern defences can handle us a little better. We struggle to make in-roads because we no threats! Moody and Franks 1 combined carry!!!!
It shows Aus we’re making yards up the middle, something they ABs don’t seem to want to do anymore despite it being obviously the best tactic in test rugby.
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@rotated said in Bledisloe #1:
@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
I wasn’t even taking into account last year.
So that makes it 5 shit games in a row.
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Mounga looked overawed and Barrett was stepping up big time in that 2nd half. To be fair with a red card, sold out stadium and an unusually rampaging wallabies against us being overawed is perfectly normal for a newbie.
Very disappointing result but hard to say how this promising team went as the carding threw a right wrench in the works...it would also be unfair to say the result was entirely due to the card, the Wallabies were excellent, fast paced rugby, starving us of possession and never taking their foot off the throat. Very un-wallaby like!
Silver lining is the kick in the ass at the right time, we were starting to click just prior to the carding and there were some glimpses of brilliance as we got desperate. Read,Coles,ALB and Barrett all to my mind looked good and we still scored 2 tries with a man down.
One more silver lining is next week is now an absolute must see event. Can't wait!
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@Tim said in Bledisloe #1:
@Steven-Harris My contention is that Hansen has handled him wrong, as Graham Henry pointed out. The same way Hansen f*cked up with Steven Luatua - a better player than any of the bums available now.
Maybe. Weepu and Nonu both nearly walked to league after being treated similarly in 2007 and Kaino could have easily gone to Europe at the same time without too much concern. It turns out higher standards for all three was what was required. Who is to know, but it does seem they are holding Akira to a different standard to most others.
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@Tim we are not talking about an 18 year old , we are talking about a talented grown man that needs to work out in life what is required to become the best that he can be as a professional rugby player.
I don’t think Hansen suffers fools, it’s not a class for slow learners,
I am still trying to work what you do with a guy who turns up to an All Black training camp and then decides he should go out drinking until 3 in the morning.
I am still trying to work out how Hansen could have handled a guy who obviously can’t be told ..and boy does it not show up in his game..If you are given a simple task, you complete the task required.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
And we will probably win next week , which will be a band aid for all the problems that will resurface later
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@rotated said in Bledisloe #1:
@Gunner said in Bledisloe #1:
A 20 point hiding added to the 2 previous shit performances.... I don’t think anyone is over reacting.
Before I can figure out if we are overreacting when you say two previous shit performances are you talking South Africa/Argentina this year or Ireland/England at the end of last year?
I would go further: ABs lost to Wallabies & SA
They should have lost to Pumas in BA & ENG in London + Boks in Pretoria
Draw vs Boks as well
Their last good performance vs Serious competition was against Pumas last year in 2018 TRC in Buenos Ares
I dismissed the games vs Tier 2 nations in Italy & Japan
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
That's the whole problem in the way the 10-15 combo works at the moment. Barrett as the senior player is way too dominant. That was esp clear in the first half. It's not just a matter of RM taking control; it's also a matter of BB letting him take control.
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@mariner4life said in Bledisloe #1:
that was a brutal reality check, and i would love to think there is something to say that it was part of some master plan
Our pack is shit. shit. Moody and Franks are bog ordinary props who scrum okay but that's it. Coles is good, but only in the wide channels. S Barrett is a substandard inernational lock. Which unbalances S whitelock. Savea was good, but as a 7, i thought read was pretty good, Cane was poor. Unsurprisingly it was unbalanced. Our pack reeks of 2003.
Mounga was fucking shit. Take some sort of control you are wearing 10. There is bugger all talking about the rest of the backline because they were bsing shovelled shit. Except Ben Smith, who looks terrible
We are in a deep deep hole
We looked best when Beauden came into the line. The RM/BB combo has potential but Mo’unga is not up to it at this level at this stage of his career. We have to shelve that idea, put Beauden back at 10 and BFA at 15 where his lack of pace is not such an issue.
That said, if we play props that offer less than 0 around the field we are going to really struggle against the big boys.
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