Bledisloe #1
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@Jaguares4real who cares? We shouldn’t be doing that stupid shit in the first place. I would be more concerned about his overall refereeing skills and not picking up on forward passes etc.
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@akan004 said in Bledisloe #1:
@sparky Thought Furlong destroyed him in the first two scrums but Big Karl came back really well and had the upper hand in the next few. But he fell off a few tackles in that game however, and really needs to work on his defence. I am not so optimistic about our propping stocks, we have props who are decent scrumagers (Franks and Moody) but can't do much else, or others who might be good around the field but aren't great scrumagers (Ofa, Moli, Angus). Also, surely it's time to start Laulala ahead of Franks now.
One of those scrums Furlong got a way with early push before the bind. Arguably ought to have been penalty to ABs. Agreed that by halftime Karl had squared the ledger.
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@broughie said in Bledisloe #1:
@Jaguares4real who cares? We shouldn’t be doing that stupid shit in the first place. I would be more concerned about his overall refereeing skills and not picking up on forward passes etc.
Totally. A hopeless ref who has a terrible habit of guessing. Shouldn't be let anywhere near knockout stages.
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Sure enough, the lesson the brains trust have picked up was 'well, there was a red card, so we don't really know'...
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12257482
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Forwards weren’t up to it. Playing 2 sevens is a stupid idea, you’ve all chastised Australia for doing it for ages.
When we do it, you’re all super excited all week that this team is going to cut them to shreds.
Savea has to start, Cane was ineffective.
Scott Barrett too small for an international lock, Patrick Tuiplotou is soft as shit. Got bullied in every breakdown he attended.
Franks is terrible, just waddles about the field waiting for the next scrum. Coles too loose to start these days. Moody lazy.
Hope they don’t start Richie in the World Cup, because based on the reaction here he’s gonna get blamed for our piss week forwards losing it.
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@Donsteppa fuck our press are arse lickers
Such was Garcès' dramatic intervention it was difficult to get a read on whether the All Blacks improved much on their previous two tests of the year or not.
Before the card we had 20% possession and less territory. We were being dominated. Every time we got the ball we either kicked out away or dropped it. Utter crap
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Well, I pulled the pin at half time last night and glad I did so.
Really, what did we learn
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the Wobbles were playing really well, good up tempo rugby
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ScoBa made a terrible decision to charge. Just stupid - you must wrap no matter what. Stick the arm out, it's yellow/pen at worst
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While we were 15v15, we' were bloody close.
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Our attack is back! We struggled to score, but looked good when we had ball in hand ... please no more chip kicks, or super flat balls to players on the line. We just threw the ball back to them so often.
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OVerall, we're not playing brilliantly, and have a forward pack that is at risk of getting dominated for extended periods. By the Wallabies (who have a decent pack at the moment)
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Ironically, losing Folau could be a blessing in disguise. Great rugby player, but not the best fullback I don't think ... kind of like BB at 10; he's a great rugby player, but not always the best 10
So, where does this leave us? We still don't know our best 6, we still don't know our midfield, our right wing is still a major headache, and our tight five look slow and physically ineffective without BBBR. Eden Park will be critical for us, but I am not going into this RWC with much confidence.
As for the 47, you can't read too much into a half of rugby with 14 men. They played up tempo footy and sapped our legs... it can always end poorly. Despite that, we still scored two tries and I can't think of anything else that's positive.
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@Machpants Garcès is good at interventions..remember him bullying his countrymen Romain Poite at Eden Park in the closing minutes of the 3rd and final test against the Lions...talked Poite into changing his mind
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@Steven-Harris yup but both his red cards were correct vs ABs.
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@Machpants no argument from me, but I will be watching him much more closely in future to see if he’s consistent on this ruling..if he does nothing then I will have problem
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
Scrum struggled after Moli came on and he missed three tackles. No wonder they were asking about Tim Perry. The search for Loosehead Props goes on.
You do realise that the ABs only had a 7-man scrum most of the time?
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I love the doomsday angle on here atm
Just a thought moving forward. For so long our strength has been to play 15 man rugby with our forward's ability to ballplay and offload to create space. However, now times have changed and our overall gameplay hasn't right down to schoolboy level. Over the last 4 year WC cycle defenses have made leaps and bounds across the globe and our forwards' ability to catch and pass has been somewhat negated by this, yet our carrying has taken steps back.
Of note, I have heard various ABs coaches talk live over the years and they have always gone on about these skills (forwards) and it being our difference and you can build strength etc. a couple of months ago I heard Mike Cron talk and he was asked the one piece of advice he would give a young schoolboy, his response -Go to the gym, you need to build strength young. At the time I thought that was a massive comment considering the lengths NZ rugby has gone to emphasise skill development, this is the ABs forwards coach telling youngster we are not strong enough as a nation!!!
are we going to see a change in the development of players in NZ to combat this? NZ rugby has a strength of being able to as one move in its goal, we have thumbed our noses at NH focus on the gym vs skills yet look at u20s ABs etc we are overpowered in the forwards and other teams have caught up/developed game plans to combat our 15 man rugby.just a thought. hope we bounce back next week but a greater discussion to have about NZ rugby considering these comments from Cron.
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@sparky said in Bledisloe #1:
Trying to remember All Black performances that were as bad as tonight's:
Wellington 93 against the Lions
Christchurch 94 against France.
Christchurch 98 against Oz.
Sydney 99 against Oz.
Twickenham 99 against the Boks
Sydney 08 against Oz.
Chicago 16 against Ireland.Perth 19 right up there for the ABs looking flat.
The 17-pt loss to England at Twickers in 2012 was way up there. But you have to applaud their level of performance.
