Ashes 2019
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@Catogrande Bert Oldfield top-edged it. He told Larwood not to blame himself. The two became close mates after Harold Larwood emigrated to Australia.
Mind you, Oldfield had been shot in the leg when served in the Ambulance Corps in World War One. Famous easy-going and generous character.
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@sparky For sure, a different perspective back then. Later on, Keith Miller’s quote about facing fast bowling. “Pressure? Pressure is not facing fast bowling. Pressure is having a Messerschmitt up your arse at 350mph”. Or words to that effect.
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Australia have a few interesting selection decisions to make for Headingly. What might save the incumbent top three is that it'll be hard to drop all of them.
Agreed on the comment about the management of Archer. It will be interesting to see whether he ends up with the longevity of Bing Lee, or Shaun Tait...
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The similarities between Archer 2019 and Bodyline is that England have the fastest bowler in their side which has rarely been the case - and Australia have a single batsman who stands in the way and England are looking for a way to dismiss him.
Since Larwood there have been Tyson in the early 50s, Snow in 70/71, a combo of Harmison, Jones and Flintoff when all fit in 2005 and now Archer. Larwood was over-used and never the same after that series (and the scapegoat for the fallout), Tyson was a 1 series wonder, Snow was quickly forgotten once Lillee and Thomson combined and Harmison and Jones lost form/fitness.
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@sparky said in Ashes 2019:
All over. Australia survive on six down.
The lost first hour through rain this morning and their own late declaration scuppered England's chance of victory.
Difficult to say - Aussies could easily pick up 2 quick wickets in that first hour as well and be chasing under 200
We desperately need an opening batsman to stand up next test.
Labuschagne becomes the first concussion substitute in test history and bats well. Apparently the catch to dismiss him was a bit controversial.
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@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
@sparky said in Ashes 2019:
All over. Australia survive on six down.
The lost first hour through rain this morning and their own late declaration scuppered England's chance of victory.
Difficult to say - Aussies could easily pick up 2 quick wickets in that first hour as well and be chasing under 200
We desperately need an opening batsman to stand up next test.
Labuschagne becomes the first concussion substitute in test history and bats well. Apparently the catch to dismiss him was a bit controversial.
One angle showed the ball bounced after Lab hit it.
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@ACT-Crusader said in Ashes 2019:
@NTA said in Ashes 2019:
@sparky said in Ashes 2019:
All over. Australia survive on six down.
The lost first hour through rain this morning and their own late declaration scuppered England's chance of victory.
Difficult to say - Aussies could easily pick up 2 quick wickets in that first hour as well and be chasing under 200
We desperately need an opening batsman to stand up next test.
Labuschagne becomes the first concussion substitute in test history and bats well. Apparently the catch to dismiss him was a bit controversial.
One angle showed the ball bounced after Lab hit it.
Which is why we need high speed cameras everywhere - frame-by-frame is a plague
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Snarky comment time.
After Joel Wilson having a shocker in the first test called into being an existential crisis of neutral umprires.
I think it is also time we had the best DRS reviewers, in an ashes series, regardless of what country they are from. Why do Australia have to have a numpty like Tim Paine as a wicketkeeper who obviously couldn't even judge the trajectory of his own torch beam. When there are players like BJ Watling or AB de Villiers being unused.
The Ashes is too big an occasion for this sort of ineptitude.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
like-for-like regulations
Weird concept really. What exactly is the definition?
As for the booing, Lab hasn't blatantly cheated so it would be a little unfair. I doubt that some fans will ever get over it for Smith or Warner.
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@Snowy said in Ashes 2019:
Weird concept really. What exactly is the definition?
I think it's pretty sensible. When a player is concussed, he can be replaced by a similar player. I'm not sure what the criteria is, but it needs to be approved by the match referee.
As long as teams don't take the piss with it I can't see a problem.
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Jofra Archer
I was feeling a bit of the Graeme Hicks was coming up for Jofra with all the hype in the media leading up to his debut this week. Build him up just to tear him down. But, what a debut.
The Archer v Smith battle was built up in the media specifically, but I admit that I thought that was just micro focussed bluster.
That spell may change so much in this series. He didn't technically dismiss Smith, but he basically did, also removed him from the second innings, with the 3rd test just 3 days away - has he removed him from the 3rd test as well?
Was Smith's strange flustered mini-innings after his concussion test - the innings of a man concussed, or of a man just trying to re-stamp his dominance on the bowlers (the first ball slog), but his dismissal suggested a man all at sea. Concussion? or has his technique/method/mind been scrambled a bit?
I think Smith is a tough bugger, and he'll sort it out. But it makes you wonder. Is his side-on outside off stump positioning meaning he can't sway away from the chest high/neck high bouncers outside off? Is this only found out by the 95mph bowler, or is this something for Broad, Stokes and Woakes to also probe.
Fascinating.
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@barbarian Yeah, I don't have a problem with it, just wondered how it is defined? From the below - pretty vague and up to the ref really.
In the case of NZ and Kane got concussed when we were 8 down would we be allowed to bring in Santner for example to bat and then bowl in the final innings of a test? Kane is a spinner and a batsman.
Unfortunately teams may well take the piss. Tom Williams and the blood rule in rugby for example.
From cricket Aus:
"The regulations specify that a 'like-for-like' replacement must come into the XI for the concussed player, but there is still grey area over what exactly that entails."Every circumstance is going to be different depending on when the player is requested to be replaced," Allardice explained at Edgbaston on Monday.
"If a bowler's injured and they've only got a batting innings left then the decision might be different to if the same player was injured and there was a bowling innings left.
"It's very much around the circumstances around the game and the referees will be given guidelines as will the teams how to interpret those.
"But it's very much around what is the likely role of the injured player for rest of the match and who is most like-for-like with the role that player will play."
He added: "The match referee could put conditions on a player being involved.
"So, if there's an allrounder replacing a batter then he might put a condition that player is unavailable to bowl during the match.
"The referee has some flexibility to best accommodate a like-for-like replacement."
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The trickiest thing for me would be someone like Colin de Grandhomme and Mitchell Santner.
They fill very similar roles for us as players but are suited to very different conditions.
That said, there has to be a concussion sub plus the match situation meaning there would be a benefit in making such a switch.
Santner for Kane wouldn't fly in my book. Top order bat for a bowling all-rounder is not like for like. Glad they've given the match ref some discretion rather than trying to make specific rules though.
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It's got to be common sense - there are going to need to be some situations where it is just best possible/common sense scenario.
For a non-subcontinental tour it is not unusual to take one spinner there is no obvious answer if they go down. If Lyon goes down who comes in? Warne out of the commentary box?
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Archer is fucking terrifying at the moment. A languid action gives a 149kg delivery angling sharply up in to the head. And he's accurate with it too. Fuck facing that, i would be next to the square leg umpire.
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@barbarian said in Ashes 2019:
It's such a rare scenario too. I can't remember ever seeing a Test batsman retire hurt with a concussion until yesterday.
I'm sure it's happened but if we see the sub used once a year I'd be surprised.
First time in Test History that the concussion sub rule has been used.
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