TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98)
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@pakman said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
I fancy RM's sympathetic distribution to heighten the impact.
Fair point.
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@Victor-Meldrew said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@nzzp said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Proof that SBW is running hard at rush defences and is a genuine threat.
It's a good theory which hardly ever works out. IMHO SBW is just too flaky to base a midfield around. Multiple fuck-ups for each miracle off-load - that's when he's not injured
I'm not necessarily in agreement, but I think that's what the Coaches see in him- a point of difference. They keep picking him despite any form, fitness or game time for that matter, so I figure that's the master strategy.
I don't disagree that we need a settled midfield. Chopping and changing (aka R+R perhaps???) is not good for our long term game in RWC year. Need to play together starting pretty much now, and hope like fark we don't cop too many key injuries.
People forget quickly how injury ravaged the ABs were against the Lions. We lost so many good players so quickly, and the Lions hardly lost anyone at all. Then we got the Dubya card and suspension, and that's all she wrote. Despite that, we won Test 1 handily, damn near burgled test 2 with 14 players, and were a dodgy dodgy call away from taking Test 3.
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People forget quickly how injury ravaged the ABs were against the Lions. We lost so many good players so quickly, and the Lions hardly lost anyone at all. Then we got the Dubya card and suspension, and that's all she wrote. Despite that, we won Test 1 handily, damn near burgled test 2 with 14 players, and were a dodgy dodgy call away from taking Test 3.
The one in which we lost Naholo to a swinging arm from SOB and which irrespective of the five hour judicial exoneration was a deliberate cheap shot?
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You misinterpreted my post
Simply put Cane is more versatile as a player than Cane
ala Hooper is with Pocock
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@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
You misinterpreted my post
Simply put Cane is more versatile as a player than Cane
ala Hooper is with Pocock
You've got me with that one.
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@Jaguares4real But Hooper is shit.
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@nzzp said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
People forget quickly how injury ravaged the ABs were against the Lions. We lost so many good players so quickly, and the Lions hardly lost anyone at all. Then we got the Dubya card and suspension, and that's all she wrote. Despite that, we won Test 1 handily, damn near burgled test 2 with 14 players, and were a dodgy dodgy call away from taking Test 3.
They were winning for a grand total of a few minutes in the entire series, and only after we were down a forward for 50 odd minutes. But, like the cricket, all people see is the W (but unlike the cricket they made a draw a draw).
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Ok, now it has been confirmed. WTF is Fifita doing there? We are in serious trouble if one of the locks go down.
Todd i can deal with. Bit strange not having Ardie or Cane on the bench but Boks will be a good test for Pap’s.
Looking forward to seeing how Frizzel goes too.SBW needed a run to see if he is actually up to it anymore. Im picking he won’t last the game and will pick up another 6-8 week injury.
Really like the look of that 10-14-15 set up. Lots of people said it would never happen. Hoping it goes well and can become a realistic option for the big games.
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@rotated said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Chris-B said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Not picking a specialist lock on the bench and instead two two loosies would be pretty concerning for Tuipolotou, who's definitely 4th lock at best once Barrett is fit.
Patty T is safe to me. He is just locked in a weird position where he can't force play his way into the match day 22 and there seems little appetite to supplant him as the fourth best lock. They need to take specialist lock coverage given Whitelock/Rettalick will be carried in the squad if injured early but still have the potential of coming right for a semi or final.
They only took 3 specialist locks in 2015 so I see Patty T on the outside looking in for Japan. The selection of Fifita suggests a lock/6 or 6/lock (however you want to describe the player) is their preferred option for the 4th lock. Even Frizell has been mentioned as a backup lock. If they think they have the cover at lock the makeup of the loose forwards can be tweaked (e.g., taking Todd).
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@Victor-Meldrew said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@nzzp said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Proof that SBW is running hard at rush defences and is a genuine threat.
It's a good theory which hardly ever works out. IMHO SBW is just too flaky to base a midfield around. Multiple fuck-ups for each miracle off-load - that's when he's not injured
Just concerned we end up going into crucial games with a 12/13 combo (sans SBW) which could benefit with some serious game time.
Agree, and when SBW doesn't stuff up his basic passing skills are not up to international midfield standard. He lacks the instinct to consistently put players in in a good position - whether it be through bad timing or bad execution (watch how many times players have to stop to catch one of his passes rather than run on to it in space).
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@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
They only took 3 specialist locks in 2015 so I see Patty T on the outside looking in for Japan.
Chicago likely changed their perception of the limits of covering lock with non-specialists. They very likely could roll the dice and take three specialists plus Fifita/Frizell like you suggest - but with all three in top 23 that will be some tall timber playing a lot of minutes four years older. For that to happen though they would want all three at 100% health.
The problem isn't a potentially tournament ending injury - the replacement is academic, it's Brodie or Whitelock picking up a 4-6 week injury in the Tongan test or vs the Boks.
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@Crazy-Horse I think it is clear to see SBW has been a key figure in the coaches plans for the past 18 months, just his injuries and Goodhue getting ill has hindered the chances of them forming a partnership, and now I think we finally get what I think is thier preferred mid-field pairing, it is now upto SBW to deliver.
My preference would still be ALB-JG, but I guess we will see after Saturday.
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@taniwharugby yeah the SBW/Goodhue combo looked good when they did get the chance (against France wasn't it? If it was the same game McKenzie looked good at 10, I am not sure how much credence we can give that performance).
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@rotated said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
@Bovidae said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
They only took 3 specialist locks in 2015 so I see Patty T on the outside looking in for Japan.
Chicago likely changed their perception of the limits of covering lock with non-specialists. They very likely could roll the dice and take three specialists plus Fifita/Frizell like you suggest - but with all three in top 23 that will be some tall timber playing a lot of minutes four years older. For that to happen though they would want all three at 100% health.
The problem isn't a potentially tournament ending injury - the replacement is academic, it's Brodie or Whitelock picking up a 4-6 week injury in the Tongan test or vs the Boks.
You could be right but then you would select a lock who can play 6 not the other way around. At the risk of repeating myself out of the 3 options in the current squad, that is Hemopo. Fifita has said himself he is a reluctant lock, while Tuipulotu could play 6 but is not a natural in that position.
All questions to be answered in time.
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ABs are well stocked at Lock for 2019 RWC
When Hemepo is 4th choice you're doing wellProblem is in 2020 when only S Barett returns
Likes of Patty T have no business playing best Int'l sides
Best suited to starting against Mickey Mouse teams like Japan, Italy etc -
@Jaguares4real said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
ABs are well stocked at Lock for 2019 RWC
When Hemepo is 4th choice you're doing wellProblem is in 2020 when only S Barett returns
Likes of Patty T have no business playing best Int'l sides
Best suited to starting against Mickey Mouse teams like Japan, Italy, Argentina etcfixed
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@pukunui said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
Ok, now it has been confirmed. WTF is Fifita doing there? We are in serious trouble if one of the locks go down.
Todd i can deal with. Bit strange not having Ardie or Cane on the bench but Boks will be a good test for Pap’s.
Looking forward to seeing how Frizzel goes too.SBW needed a run to see if he is actually up to it anymore. Im picking he won’t last the game and will pick up another 6-8 week injury.
Really like the look of that 10-14-15 set up. Lots of people said it would never happen. Hoping it goes well and can become a realistic option for the big games.
Keeping his powder dry until he plays at home.
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@taniwharugby said in TRC: The All Blacks against the Springboks (version 98):
My preference would still be ALB-JG, but I guess we will see after Saturday.
Agreed, That said, I'm more than happy to be proved wrong over SBW
