CWC Final - Black Caps v England
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@SynicBast said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Cyclops said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
That would mean that Stokes would have been awarded the second but not the boundary. Seems a fair outcom.
except they hadn't crossed at the time the ball was thrown in, which is the specified point at which the law states a run can be counted in the case of an overthrow
That was in a hypothetical future rule change where the ball is dead if it hits a batsman after a fielder returns the ball, so the boundary overthrow rule doesn't apply.
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@Siam said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Chris-B umm, what scenario is that?
Should add that all completed runs before the hit are counted and if no run after the batsman is hit to account for the dubious scenario of fielders throwing at batsmen to prevent a run???
If hit trying complete the first run (single), ball rebowled might work
A scenario I can't see happening, what if the fielder trying to save runs by hitting the batsman, misses? Team going to be happy with non backed up overthrows?
Not much of a percentage play that one, unless there's something I'm missing.
One run to win - ball driven gently to a mid on in line with the stumps. Fielder's got one stump to aim at to tie - or a large oncoming batsman to buy another ball - boom!!!
World Cup on the line - I'd definitely throw at Gatting!
Edit: or anyone playing for East-Christchurch-Shirley!
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Imagine if, runs tied, England had 13 fours and 2 sixes across regular match + super over. And we had 10 fours and 4 sixes. Both teams have same runs, and same total runs from boundaries (64).
England still win on number of boundaries (15 vs 14), even though we have more sixes.
The boundary rule is presumably there to encourage more aggressive/swashbuckling play, but isn't even coherent in how it does that! It assumes boundaries are "better" than 1s and 2s, but not necessarily that 6s are better than 4s given the above. So it's completely ridiculous.
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@TeWaio The boundary rule was introduced to determine the winner in a tied super over in T20s, and it makes sense in that format of the game I suppose. The clowns at the ICC probably never envisaged this happening in a ODI CWC semi or final so applied the same rule to ODIs. Makes zero sense in the 50 over format.
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@TeWaio said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Imagine if, runs tied, England had 13 fours and 2 sixes across regular match + super over. And we had 10 fours and 4 sixes. Both teams have same runs, and same total runs from boundaries (64).
England still win on number of boundaries (15 vs 14), even though we have more sixes.
The boundary rule is presumably there to encourage more aggressive/swashbuckling play, but isn't even coherent in how it does that! It assumes boundaries are "better" than 1s and 2s, but not necessarily that 6s are better than 4s given the above. So it's completely ridiculous.
especially when in todays cricket a lot of the ones and twos are saved right on the boundary
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@akan004 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@TeWaio The boundary rule was introduced to determine the winner in a tied super over in T20s, and it makes sense in that format of the game I suppose. The clowns at the ICC probably never envisaged this happening in a ODI CWC semi or final so applied the same rule to ODIs. Makes zero sense in the 50 over format.
Still don't reckon it makes sense for T20s, given my above example regarding 4s and 6s.
If they want to have this stupid rule (and they shouldn't), it should be "total runs scored from boundaries" not "total number of boundaries".
That way 6s are worth 1.5x 4s, i.e. like in the ACTUAL GAME. ICC need to give themselves an uppercut.
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@gt12 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
I had a real struggle not punching out a half English freshman who brought out the video of the Stokes overthrow to show me during class today. Gloating little shit.
I Kaned it though “great game, that’s sport etc etc”
Only just but.
The verb to "Kane". Love it.
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@Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
So it was more than me just feeling sulky about it all...
I'm trying to figure out the 26 "lucky events for the opposition" in that table. Munro was selected 9 times which is a good start, and there were about 5 in the final, but outside of that Taylor/Kane run out back to the bowler I'm struggling to come up with the others.
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@Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.
But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!
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@Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
A run, a run! My kingdom for one run!!
The five stages of loss are progressing glacially...
I'm at peace with the game being a tie and that's how it should/will be remembered, not the rule created by an ex-billionaire now spending life in prison for corruption and fraud.
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@Paekakboyz said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.
But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!
There's been a lot of good comparisons to All Black RWC losses, but in some ways it reminds me of the feeling when Crowe was out for 299. That sense of how hard it was to get so close, and just how long it might be until the next chance.
I'd knight Sir BMac for finally giving closure to that 299 itch...
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@Donsteppa said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Paekakboyz said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@Donsteppa it's going to hurt indefinitely I'm afraid. The only salve will be a win at a future WC.
But what are the chances that there is a similar situation when they tour here!! wonder if the TAB will offer that option... hmmm maybe not. I'm sure they don't want their offices burnt down!
There's been a lot of good comparisons to All Black RWC losses, but in some ways it reminds me of the feeling when Crowe was out for 299. That sense of how hard it was to get so close, and just how long it might be until the next chance.
I'd knight Sir BMac for finally giving closure to that 299 itch...
God, what a moment that was (Baz's ton).
