CWC Final - Black Caps v England
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@KiwiPie said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Back to the cricket and a great innings by Stokes - similar role to Dhoni with Buttler playing the Jadeja role but he did it much, much better than Dhoni. And had no problem with the actions of the English players at all, you could tell Stokes was embarrassed by the extra 4 runs being awarded.
This sort of post is not helping our moral victory stance.
Burn the heretic!
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@mariner4life said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@KiwiPie said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Back to the cricket and a great innings by Stokes - similar role to Dhoni with Buttler playing the Jadeja role but he did it much, much better than Dhoni. And had no problem with the actions of the English players at all, you could tell Stokes was embarrassed by the extra 4 runs being awarded.
This sort of post is not helping our moral victory stance.
Burn the heretic!
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England probably should have taken the game away from us. It is ironic that they won because of more boundaries scored. It was relying on boundaries which was their problem. Stokes showed limitations as a batsman in that he couldn't rotate the strike. Root also got out because he just couldn't get enough singles and got frustrated. Credit to all our bowlers but especially Neesham and CDG.
I don't have a huge problem with how the game ended. If it is tied on the day, you should go back to who did better throughout the tournament. That is England. So the right winner in the end.
Luck did seem to go against us. Then again both Ferguson and Southee only just made catches. In some ways they were lucky to take those. So it depends how you look at it. Overall, we were fortunate to be in the semis.
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@Stockcar86 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
The law states: "If the boundary results from an overthrow or from the wilful act of a fielder, the runs scored shall be any runs for penalties awarded to either side, and the allowance for the boundary, and the runs completed by the batsmen, together with the run in progress if they had already crossed at the instant of the throw or act." The crucial clause is the last part. A review of the footage of the incident shows clearly that, at the moment the ball was released by the New Zealand fielder, Martin Guptill, Stokes and his partner, Adil Rashid, had not yet crossed for their second run.https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/_/id/27191816/should-england-got-five-not-six-overthrows
ah good, can we appeal?
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I would’ve loved a bowl off as a second over decider. Pick 6 bowlers to step up to the mark and see how many hit the stumps.
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
I would’ve loved a bowl off as a second over decider. Pick 6 bowlers to step up to the mark and see how many hit the stumps.
with a bonus for middle stump
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
I would’ve loved a bowl off as a second over decider. Pick 6 bowlers to step up to the mark and see how many hit the stumps.
Problem with this is it will often end up and 1-1 or 0-0 etc.
But it is pretty cool. -
Enough of these finals. Simply get all the score books from all the games.
Count up the boundaries and there's your world champions for the next 4 years. I mean boundaries are the most important thing right?
No more upsetting broadcasters when we run over time
Simples
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@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
England probably should have taken the game away from us. It is ironic that they won because of more boundaries scored. It was relying on boundaries which was their problem. Stokes showed limitations as a batsman in that he couldn't rotate the strike. Root also got out because he just couldn't get enough singles and got frustrated. Credit to all our bowlers but especially Neesham and CDG.
I don't have a huge problem with how the game ended. If it is tied on the day, you should go back to who did better throughout the tournament. That is England. So the right winner in the end.
Luck did seem to go against us. Then again both Ferguson and Southee only just made catches. In some ways they were lucky to take those. So it depends how you look at it. Overall, we were fortunate to be in the semis.
See I have an issue with the ‘who did better in the tournament’ position. Don’t have finals if you want to reward tournament play.
In a final it shouldn’t matter how you got there, it’s just that you get there and are in with a starters chance.
It should come down to what happens in the game.
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I've had to try to explain to several people who don't have a huge grasp of the subtleties of cricket, quite how England won and we didn't. I'd imagine others have the same challenge and I came across this helpful video that really boils it down to simple principles.
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@SynicBast said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Warning: sour grapes time:
England did not win this world cup, it was awarded to them. That's my response from now on whenever some fluffybunny says England won the 2019 CWC.
That will be my stance today at work.
To be honest, calling it work today is prob not an accurate reflection.
I don’t even remember going to bed.
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@Rapido said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
I would’ve loved a bowl off as a second over decider. Pick 6 bowlers to step up to the mark and see how many hit the stumps.
Problem with this is it will often end up and 1-1 or 0-0 etc.
But it is pretty cool.Then just keep going as sudden death. Theatre! But not stumps though, just a single stump.
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@ACT-Crusader said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
@hydro11 said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
England probably should have taken the game away from us. It is ironic that they won because of more boundaries scored. It was relying on boundaries which was their problem. Stokes showed limitations as a batsman in that he couldn't rotate the strike. Root also got out because he just couldn't get enough singles and got frustrated. Credit to all our bowlers but especially Neesham and CDG.
I don't have a huge problem with how the game ended. If it is tied on the day, you should go back to who did better throughout the tournament. That is England. So the right winner in the end.
Luck did seem to go against us. Then again both Ferguson and Southee only just made catches. In some ways they were lucky to take those. So it depends how you look at it. Overall, we were fortunate to be in the semis.
See I have an issue with the ‘who did better in the tournament’ position. Don’t have finals if you want to reward tournament play.
In a final it shouldn’t matter how you got there, it’s just that you get there and are in with a starters chance.
It should come down to what happens in the game.
It's a much better metric than wickets lost. Each team is given resources of 300 legal deliveries and 10 wickets. New Zealand didn't use all of our resources. If England got bowled out for 241 in 49 overs, you could argue they should have won for having more deliveries available which they did not use.
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@KiwiPie if it is tied after the 2nd over then we have a throw at the stumps. Pick 5 guys and all from the same spot get to throw at the stumps.
Preferable spot where Guppy got Dhoni 😎
Essentially we cover all bases with batting, bowling and fielding contests.
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Also, just to make everyone feel worse, I think that shows how much we bottled it in 2015. We were in a much better position in that game - 150/3 after 35 overs. That includes McCullum getting out to Starc and Guptill out to Maxwell. We then collapsed in a heap for 183. Another 50 runs 4 years ago and we really could have won. The Aussie batting line-up was (and still is) brittle and we picked up Finch early.
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@MajorRage said in CWC Final - Black Caps v England:
Without a word of a lie, if I see Nassar Hussein today I will punch him hard.
What a complete fluffybunny.
Giving this an upvote out of principle. I imagine he of all people will be unbearable.
