Blues v Chiefs
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
Ref was surprisingly good, no obvious howlers, and was very consistent.
Except for awarding controversial tries.
Pretty poor of the interviewer after the game to ask Weber if he felt hard done by the ref, and even worse for him to reply no comment.
Considering the question was asked, that was the best possible answer Weber could give. If he hadn't felt hard done by, he could have said "no", but if he felt hard done by (and who can blame him?), there's no way he could have said so.
Plenty of ways to give a non answer to that sort of question. Instead, he came across as blaming the ref in a game where his team were clearly second best.
No, it didn't come across as blaming the ref for the loss. And although he had plenty of reason to disagree with the ref about those controversial tries, he didn't - and couldn't - say so. And he didn't say anything to deny that the Chiefs were second best (to the contrary).
“Did you feel hard done by the ref?”
“Ummm no comment”
They weren’t talking about the trys at that point either, but the game in general.
No comment is a shit answer.
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@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
But go on, keep seeing the negative in things, as always.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
But go on, keep seeing the negative in things, as always.
I think the inference has whooshed you a bit there, so let’s agree to disagree.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
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@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment.
The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations"?That's fine. It's basically a "no comment" with an explanation.
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@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure. Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb? 😉
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@Siam said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb? 😉
No, because I’m not saying the ref should make more mistakes to even up another one.
That was a point about these mistakes happen, and We had been on the other side of it last week.
Should have been checked.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
No
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
IMO (and I wasn't the only one), the decision on Sowakula's "try" was not pretty standard and was similar to Ofa's. Inconsistency.
I edited my initial response btw.
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@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO
The TMO had already said it was fine.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
You're putting words in my mouth.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
Different from you, I'm a neutral, and I disagree that it was a clear knock on. Nothing clear and obvious about it.
No, seems like a fair summary of your post.
TMO and the Ref agree with my opinion
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@antipodean Still, both situations should have been treated the same way.
