Blues v Chiefs
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A forward pack made of custard...
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Can someone get Robinson a hair-band?
More hair-flicking than at a teenage party
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Good teams know how to win ugly 😀
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Bonus point try!
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Best line out drive of the blues season
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@antipodean to be fair to the chiefs I agree with some earlier coms...not having your 2 main locks plus the impressive Luke Jacobson along with a host of other injuries must take its toll..
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@Machpants More like the last 5 years. That game was similar to the Waratahs v Crusaders where we were shit but the Chiefs were a lot shitter.
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@Steven-Harris said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean to be fair to the chiefs I agree with some earlier coms...not having your 2 main locks plus the impressive Luke Jacobson along with a host of other injuries must take its toll..
Agreed. The fact the Chiefs have won any games with their injury toll is surprising.
Will take the win as a Blues Supporter..!,but was a hard watch at times..!
Winning is a habit. It might help take away the panic they demonstrate in the opposition 22.
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@Machpants Is that the first time they've used a short-lineout drive? Might be a good idea to reduce to more of a man-on-man contest, rather than one of organisation.
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Good god - they've beaten the Chiefs and scored from a lineout drive.
What other hoodoos do they need to put to bed? Maybe Michael Collins plays next week!
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Ofa had a bloody stormer.
Scrafton very very good.
Plummer needs to work on goal kicking and his clearance speed but otherwise excellent.
Stoked to break the streak.
Brilliant!
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A win but against any other NZ side that would have been a substantial loss. Mistakes across the park and poor decision making continue. I wouldn’t say that result marks a turning point just a confirmation of the major fault lines that run through the Blues.
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@Tim said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Machpants Is that the first time they've used a short-lineout drive? Might be a good idea to reduce to more of a man-on-man contest, rather than one of organisation.
I don't know, TBH, but it seems the blues stuff up every time things start to go on a bit. Really if they don't score quickly they're more than likely to lose it. So that sort of move good for them!
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@kev Have to agree. Don't get me wrong it's great to beat another NZ team but this Chiefs side is very weak on paper and we're still making plenty of mistakes on attack. Why the Chiefs opted for the scrum at 18-8 I'll never know as we don't know how to stop a driving maul to save our lives but that's their problem I guess.
The performance was a carbon copy of last week against the Canes I thought.
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hopefully cooper and matson will resign now. in some ways matson is worse than cooper out attack is woefull
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First off, it was nice to watch a Blues game with ten minutes to go and know the win was in the bag.
That scrum to earn the penalty, then play up the field for a maul(?!) bonus point try was very sweet.
The negatives were handling at key times, lack of patience in the 22 and Harry’s goal kicking.
Positives were Clarke is really hitting his straps, Forwards are great at keeping the ball and getting over the advantage line.
Still with all the pressure to get a result, history against them, it was great belief and composure to strangle the Chiefs.
Akira was great this week, constantly got over the advantage line, linked up really well and as normal was huge in defence. One messy scrum for him to improve on.
Ref was surprisingly good, no obvious howlers, and was very consistent. He was in good position for Ofas juggle and was happy with it. The Blues have had to eat so many of those type of decisions, I’ll take one in our favour for a change. Had no impact on the result thankfully.
Pretty poor of the interviewer after the game to ask Weber if he felt hard done by the ref, and even worse for him to reply no comment.
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Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
Ref was surprisingly good, no obvious howlers, and was very consistent.
Except for awarding controversial tries.
Pretty poor of the interviewer after the game to ask Weber if he felt hard done by the ref, and even worse for him to reply no comment.
Considering the question was asked, that was the best possible answer Weber could give. If he hadn't felt hard done by, he could have said "no", but if he felt hard done by (and who can blame him?), there's no way he could have said so.
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@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
Ref was surprisingly good, no obvious howlers, and was very consistent.
Except for awarding controversial tries.
Pretty poor of the interviewer after the game to ask Weber if he felt hard done by the ref, and even worse for him to reply no comment.
Considering the question was asked, that was the best possible answer Weber could give. If he hadn't felt hard done by, he could have said "no", but if he felt hard done by (and who can blame him?), there's no way he could have said so.
Plenty of ways to give a non answer to that sort of question. Instead, he came across as blaming the ref in a game where his team were clearly second best.
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@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
Cane propelled himself forward, so no try. The other was a knock on. What was controversial there?
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Some strange weird decisions again in this game by the officials nearly every game has been poorly controlled with inconsistent Refs.
And it is starting to effect SR as a product.
Let’s home the Finals are controlled a whole lot better.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
Ref was surprisingly good, no obvious howlers, and was very consistent.
Except for awarding controversial tries.
Pretty poor of the interviewer after the game to ask Weber if he felt hard done by the ref, and even worse for him to reply no comment.
Considering the question was asked, that was the best possible answer Weber could give. If he hadn't felt hard done by, he could have said "no", but if he felt hard done by (and who can blame him?), there's no way he could have said so.
Plenty of ways to give a non answer to that sort of question. Instead, he came across as blaming the ref in a game where his team were clearly second best.
No, it didn't come across as blaming the ref for the loss. And although he had plenty of reason to disagree with the ref about those controversial tries, he didn't - and couldn't - say so. And he didn't say anything to deny that the Chiefs were second best (to the contrary).
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
Ref was surprisingly good, no obvious howlers, and was very consistent.
Except for awarding controversial tries.
Pretty poor of the interviewer after the game to ask Weber if he felt hard done by the ref, and even worse for him to reply no comment.
Considering the question was asked, that was the best possible answer Weber could give. If he hadn't felt hard done by, he could have said "no", but if he felt hard done by (and who can blame him?), there's no way he could have said so.
Plenty of ways to give a non answer to that sort of question. Instead, he came across as blaming the ref in a game where his team were clearly second best.
No, it didn't come across as blaming the ref for the loss. And although he had plenty of reason to disagree with the ref about those controversial tries, he didn't - and couldn't - say so. And he didn't say anything to deny that the Chiefs were second best (to the contrary).
“Did you feel hard done by the ref?”
“Ummm no comment”
They weren’t talking about the trys at that point either, but the game in general.
No comment is a shit answer.
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@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
But go on, keep seeing the negative in things, as always.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
But go on, keep seeing the negative in things, as always.
I think the inference has whooshed you a bit there, so let’s agree to disagree.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
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@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment.
The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations"?That's fine. It's basically a "no comment" with an explanation.
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@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure. Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb? 😉
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@Siam said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Yeetyaah said in Blues v Chiefs:
Dang I don't wanna sound like a sore loser but bloody hell Jackson was awful. Chiefs didn't deserve the win and credit to the Blues, but the Sowakula and Cane try not being awarded were such bad calls.
I think Cane's try was correctly disallowed, but Sowakula's should have had the same result as Tu'ungafasi's.
Sowakula clearly knocked it on, easy no try. Ofa’s try should have been checked upstairs, wasn’t. As Kirwan said after the game, The Blues had one of those against us with Nonu last week.
I’m assuming you aren’t saying that because he made one mistake, that he should make two? Because that would be super dumb.
But that rationale ain't also superdumb? 😉
No, because I’m not saying the ref should make more mistakes to even up another one.
That was a point about these mistakes happen, and We had been on the other side of it last week.
Should have been checked.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by.
No
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
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@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan said in Blues v Chiefs:
@antipodean said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan Even if they weren't talking about the tries specifically, it could have been something that came to mind when he heard the question. It was a fine and appropriate answer.
Would you agree a better answer is "look, you cant ask questions like that because as players we simply can't comment. The ref is the same for both sides, we have to adjust to the interpretations" ?
Or any of the 100s of other appropriate answers available to him.
It was a poor question from the interviewer, for sure.
Yes
Weber should have done better than imply he agreed that they were hard done by the inconsistent refereeing with respect to the controversial tries.
That's better.
Not really, as there was only one controversial try decision. The two Chief decisions were pretty standard no trys.
IMO (and I wasn't the only one), the decision on Sowakula's "try" was not pretty standard and was similar to Ofa's. Inconsistency.
I edited my initial response btw.
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Well you, and the “others” would be wrong. They checked it, he knocked it on. Nothing else to it really.
Unless you think the ref should have given it because he gave the Ofa one?
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Colin Coopers thoughts on two of the tries or non tries
Asked to clarify, Cooper said Tu'ungafasi had "clearly knocked on" and Sowakula told him after the game he had regathered the ball before he grounded it and was puzzled why his try wasn't awarded. -
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
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@Stargazer said in Blues v Chiefs:
@Kirwan The criticism that we have of the ref is with hind-sight, as it always is. And with hind-sight we can say that Ofa's "try" shouldn't have been awarded without going to the TMO and the on-field decisions in both Ofa's and Sowakula's case should have been the same. It wasn't and, therefore, there was inconsistency in officiating. Also, I think the TMO's decision on Sowakula's try was wrong and the try should have been awarded.
Consistently wrong is a really dumb thing for the officials to aim for. One mistake was made, wishing for a second to even it up is ridiculous.
And you are wrong about the try too. Clear knock on.
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