NFL 2019
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
After the first drive by each team I thought the 49ers were toast but they really showed their mettle grinding out this win. The 49er defense looks legitimately elite. 49ers offense doing enough in this game whilst being undermanned. Awesome.
They have the Redskins on the weekend so I would fancy their chances to get to 7-1
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
After the first drive by each team I thought the 49ers were toast but they really showed their mettle grinding out this win. The 49er defense looks legitimately elite. 49ers offense doing enough in this game whilst being undermanned. Awesome.
They have the Redskins on the weekend so I would fancy their chances to get to 7-1
Or 6-0 as it were.
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Caught some of the Packers Lions yesterday.
Stink arse refereeing calls cost the Lions big time. 4 and 21 turned into a first down on a bollocks facemask call. Can understand why people are blowing up on it.
That, and seeing receivers get mugged without DPI makes me shake my head at times.
Clearly, refereeing controversies are everywhere
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Rams making moves.
They traded away corner Marcus Peters to the Ravens.
They have now traded for cornerback Jalen Ramsey from the Jacksonville Jags for two first-round draft picks (2020 and 2021) and a fourth-round pick in 2021.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
Rams making moves.
They traded away corner Marcus Peters to the Ravens.
They have now traded for cornerback Jalen Ramsey from the Jacksonville Jags for two first-round draft picks (2020 and 2021) and a fourth-round pick in 2021.
Mortgaging the future. Hope Jared Goff is legit. I don't hate the move, but if the Rams can't turn it around and miss the playoffs they'll regret it big time.
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Mahomes has dislocated his kneecap. KC are trying to get a second opinion but most reports seem to think that he'll be out for around 4 weeks.
Matt Moore was his replacement and he looked bad. Is a week of first team reps going to make him startable? Maybe. But KC will probably have a nibble around free agency. Will be very interesting to see how their offence runs without him.
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Patriots pick up Mohamed Sanu for a 2nd round draft pick, fresh after moving to 7 and 0.
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The only other undefeated team left the 49ers also pick up a WR via trade - Emmanuel Sanders from the Broncos for a 3rd and a 4th round pick (whilst getting a 5th round pick back).
Feels like a win win for both teams. Broncos need to rebuild and 49ers need help at WR.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
The only other undefeated team left the 49ers also pick up a WR via trade - Emmanuel Sanders from the Broncos for a 3rd and a 4th round pick (whilst getting a 5th round pick back).
Feels like a win win for both teams. Broncos need to rebuild and 49ers need help at WR.
Veteran player with great hands, good size and solid attitude - Pittsburgh wouldn't pay him his non-rookie contract demand but his attitude and work ethic were never in question - not Elite but still a decent threat as a wideout and runs great routes.
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Patriots place Flash Gordon on IR.. Looks like the Pats are letting him go..
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San Fran are rolling
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@canefan Seriously impressive by the 49ers.
They just absolutely blew out a serious playoff contender.
New WR Sanders fit in nicely and the 49ers managed to get their running game cranking by smartly avoiding the stout middle defence of the Panthers. Of course the 49ers defence continues to be amazing also.
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@KiwiMurph B.O.S.A.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@canefan Seriously impressive by the 49ers.
They just absolutely blew out a serious playoff contender.
New WR Sanders fit in nicely and the 49ers managed to get their running game cranking by smartly avoiding the stout middle defence of the Panthers. Of course the 49ers defence continues to be amazing also.
Panthers had a 500 record and were three games behind the Saints. This isn't the same Panthers of a couple of years ago.
49ers do look great though. NFC playoffs should be dynamite. Not so sure about AFC though. Pats defense is all time and likely to close down anyone else that gets in their way.
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at one point today the Pats defense had scored more touchdowns than they had given up. That is astounding in their 8th game.
It is going to be very hard for anyone to beat new England this year. They will meet a good team in the SB though.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@canefan Seriously impressive by the 49ers.
They just absolutely blew out a serious playoff contender.
New WR Sanders fit in nicely and the 49ers managed to get their running game cranking by smartly avoiding the stout middle defence of the Panthers. Of course the 49ers defence continues to be amazing also.
Panthers had a 500 record and were three games behind the Saints. This isn't the same Panthers of a couple of years ago.
49ers do look great though. NFC playoffs should be dynamite. Not so sure about AFC though. Pats defense is all time and likely to close down anyone else that gets in their way.
500 record? Panthers were 4-2 coming into the game on a 4 game win streak.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@canefan Seriously impressive by the 49ers.
They just absolutely blew out a serious playoff contender.
New WR Sanders fit in nicely and the 49ers managed to get their running game cranking by smartly avoiding the stout middle defence of the Panthers. Of course the 49ers defence continues to be amazing also.
Panthers had a 500 record and were three games behind the Saints. This isn't the same Panthers of a couple of years ago.
49ers do look great though. NFC playoffs should be dynamite. Not so sure about AFC though. Pats defense is all time and likely to close down anyone else that gets in their way.
500 record? Panthers were 4-2 coming into the game on a 4 game win streak.
don't come in here with your facts shit and disrupt a good narrative thank you
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Jimmy G has his best game of the season to win another one for the 49ers. Over 300 yards passing, 4 TDs and no picks.
Arizona are already super competitive. The gadget Arizona offense gashed the 49ers defense. Murray playing well for a rookie.
The NFC West is arguably the best division in football.
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I don't think too many people would argue with you about NFC west being the best division. Who else is there? Maybe NFC North or AFC South, but both a long way off.
At least one of those teams will get screwed in the wildcard race because of the toughness of divisional match ups, maybe even both of them. Meanwhile, the Bills will probably sail into the playoffs on the back of 2x dolphins and 2x jets games. Jets-Bills play week 17 so hopefully we can return the favour from 2015 and stuff their playoff run at the final hurdle.
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Anyone see the end of the Chiefs v Titans game this morning? Crazy stuff.
Chiefs lead by 5. Get the stop on downs, so handed field position in a good spot. Two run plays gets them to 3rd and 2. They opt for a pass play that Mahomes ends up taking the knee. Field goal attempt to take it to 8. The snapper goes early, the holder isn't ready, and is forced to chuck it away. Turnover, and 10 yard penalty with 44s to go. Titans throw 3 plays and score. I think the Chiefs then have a blocked field goal to tie it up.
Mental last couple of minutes.
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Is it a misprint or are Miami actually in danger of beating Indianapolis?
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the NFL seems drunk today with the results coming through.
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Bengals now into the box seat as the Jets and Dolphins both win.
Jets win the battle of New York, but probably not enough to save Gase in the eye of the fans (early this week fans paid to fly 'Fire Adam Gase' banner behind a plane. Question is, what's the magic number before Chris Johnson decides to sack him.
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Lamar with his second game with a perfect passer rating this year.
MVP!
#ravensflock
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The Dolphins winning might be upsetting the front office, who really want the #1 pick. But their coach, and the culture he appears to be creating (those guys are really trying) might be better than the higher draft pick, as suddenly Miami doesn't look like a dumpster fire next season, and might be somewhere people want to play.
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@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
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@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
Yeah Darnold has shown enough to justify keeping him. Plus the offensive line play has been the worst in the league, the play calling has been atrocious and the young skill players haven't really step up (or they've been injured in the case of Herndon).
Jets priorities in the draft will be OL, CB, EDGE. Would not surprise me at all if they trade down, especially with Joe Douglas's reputation as a dealer. Jerry Jeudy might be a temptation if he's available wherever they draft.
The problem for the Dolphins (and Bengals) is that ideally you want your franchise QB to be the last guy you draft rather than the first, and at the very least you want your OL ready first. Darnold and Luck both show what happens when you put a top tier QB behind a rubbish line.
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@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
Yeah Darnold has shown enough to justify keeping him. Plus the offensive line play has been the worst in the league, the play calling has been atrocious and the young skill players haven't really step up (or they've been injured in the case of Herndon).
Jets priorities in the draft will be OL, CB, EDGE. Would not surprise me at all if they trade down, especially with Joe Douglas's reputation as a dealer. Jerry Jeudy might be a temptation if he's available wherever they draft.
The problem for the Dolphins (and Bengals) is that ideally you want your franchise QB to be the last guy you draft rather than the first, and at the very least you want your OL ready first. Darnold and Luck both show what happens when you put a top tier QB behind a rubbish line.
this league is all about the o-line now. If that's fucked, you can't do anything. And young quarterbacks just get chewed up.
I think the last few years has shown that elite quarterbacks are actually really bloody hard to find, so you are better off getting a guy with a bit of talent, and putting all the other pieces in place. Good o-line, a running threat so you can run play-action, pass rush.
And a winning culture. Throwing talent at a team used to losing doesn't just magically work, look at the Browns.
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@mariner4life said in NFL 2019:
@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
Yeah Darnold has shown enough to justify keeping him. Plus the offensive line play has been the worst in the league, the play calling has been atrocious and the young skill players haven't really step up (or they've been injured in the case of Herndon).
Jets priorities in the draft will be OL, CB, EDGE. Would not surprise me at all if they trade down, especially with Joe Douglas's reputation as a dealer. Jerry Jeudy might be a temptation if he's available wherever they draft.
The problem for the Dolphins (and Bengals) is that ideally you want your franchise QB to be the last guy you draft rather than the first, and at the very least you want your OL ready first. Darnold and Luck both show what happens when you put a top tier QB behind a rubbish line.
this league is all about the o-line now. If that's fucked, you can't do anything. And young quarterbacks just get chewed up.
I think the last few years has shown that elite quarterbacks are actually really bloody hard to find, so you are better off getting a guy with a bit of talent, and putting all the other pieces in place. Good o-line, a running threat so you can run play-action, pass rush.
And a winning culture. Throwing talent at a team used to losing doesn't just magically work, look at the Browns.
Yep, if a team has decent lines of both sides of the ball they can generally game plan around any other weaknesses. A defensive line can generally be covered if you have an elite secondary but the o-line can't be covered in the same way.
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The Lamar Jackson experience is also revealling, and I wonder if more teams will look to design their offence around their QB and his strengths rather than plugging someone into a set system and expecting it to work.
You could mount an argument that other QBs in Lamar's draft class would have far better results if their respective teams took the same approach as the Ravens.
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@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
The Lamar Jackson experience is also revealling, and I wonder if more teams will look to design their offence around their QB and his strengths rather than plugging someone into a set system and expecting it to work.
You could mount an argument that other QBs in Lamar's draft class would have far better results if their respective teams took the same approach as the Ravens.
You could say that's similar to what the Bills are doing with Allen - he had massive hype about his arm strength, massive red flags around his accuracy, so the Bills have mostly tried to avoid that.
Darnold this year has been a great example of not doing that though - Gase's playcalling does nothing to make Darnold's job easier (which would be making better use of his ability to throw on the move, and having two of the best route-running RBs in the league to help tip off coverages and create mismatches).
All that said, I'm still not sold on Jackson. There are enough guys in recent memory who looked like they were going to be great running QBs (RG3 and Tebow spring to mind immediately) after putting together one great season only for everything to fall apart.
It will be super interesting to see how things go into the playoffs and then next season when teams have had a whole season worth of tape to review.
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Amazing Monday Night Football game.
Both teams had their chances.
Seahawks win.
Feels like a huge missed opportunity for the 49ers and honestly as crazy as it sounds I think the 49ers season could fall apart. They lost 4-5 more players to injury and Seattle will now back themselves to win the division.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
Amazing Monday Night Football game.
Both teams had their chances.
Seahawks win.
Feels like a huge missed opportunity for the 49ers and honestly as crazy as it sounds I think the 49ers season could fall apart. They lost 4-5 more players to injury and Seattle will now back themselves to win the division.
Yeah they have a brutal stretch. Only 2 of their remaining games are against teams with losing records, and one of those is against a division rival in the Cards and the other are the Falcons who are dangerous even if they're not getting it done.
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@Cyclops yep. Seahawks meanwhile are suddenly real contenders. They have the best QB in the league this season, they have Clowney playing like the #1 overall pick he was and theyve picked up Josh Gordon. Of course Carroll is a class coach as well.
People talk about the conferences in Super Rugby lacking balance - the divisions in NFL are just as bad.
The NFC West is incredibly strong meanwhile some of other divisions have multiple awful teams (NFC East, AFC East etc).
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Here's a fun fact.
Saints
49ers
Packers
Cowboys
Rams
Pats
Vikings
Bills
Chiefs
PanthersWhat unite these teams? They all have a winning record but the Dolphins have a longer current win streak.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@Cyclops yep. Seahawks meanwhile are suddenly real contenders. They have the best QB in the league this season, they have Clowney playing like the #1 overall pick he was and theyve picked up Josh Gordon. Of course Carroll is a class coach as well.
People talk about the conferences in Super Rugby lacking balance - the divisions in NFL are just as bad.
The NFC West is incredibly strong meanwhile some of other divisions have multiple awful teams (NFC East, AFC East etc).
Yeah the draws can be so unequal sometimes it's crazy. (Pats get the rest of AFC east twice and NFC east, and the Bengals). There's almost always one team that's 10-6 or 9-7 that misses out. But they don't seem to care as much. Maybe because it's always been like that?