NFL 2019
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Bengals now into the box seat as the Jets and Dolphins both win.
Jets win the battle of New York, but probably not enough to save Gase in the eye of the fans (early this week fans paid to fly 'Fire Adam Gase' banner behind a plane. Question is, what's the magic number before Chris Johnson decides to sack him.
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Lamar with his second game with a perfect passer rating this year.
MVP!
#ravensflock
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The Dolphins winning might be upsetting the front office, who really want the #1 pick. But their coach, and the culture he appears to be creating (those guys are really trying) might be better than the higher draft pick, as suddenly Miami doesn't look like a dumpster fire next season, and might be somewhere people want to play.
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@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
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@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
Yeah Darnold has shown enough to justify keeping him. Plus the offensive line play has been the worst in the league, the play calling has been atrocious and the young skill players haven't really step up (or they've been injured in the case of Herndon).
Jets priorities in the draft will be OL, CB, EDGE. Would not surprise me at all if they trade down, especially with Joe Douglas's reputation as a dealer. Jerry Jeudy might be a temptation if he's available wherever they draft.
The problem for the Dolphins (and Bengals) is that ideally you want your franchise QB to be the last guy you draft rather than the first, and at the very least you want your OL ready first. Darnold and Luck both show what happens when you put a top tier QB behind a rubbish line.
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@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
Yeah Darnold has shown enough to justify keeping him. Plus the offensive line play has been the worst in the league, the play calling has been atrocious and the young skill players haven't really step up (or they've been injured in the case of Herndon).
Jets priorities in the draft will be OL, CB, EDGE. Would not surprise me at all if they trade down, especially with Joe Douglas's reputation as a dealer. Jerry Jeudy might be a temptation if he's available wherever they draft.
The problem for the Dolphins (and Bengals) is that ideally you want your franchise QB to be the last guy you draft rather than the first, and at the very least you want your OL ready first. Darnold and Luck both show what happens when you put a top tier QB behind a rubbish line.
this league is all about the o-line now. If that's fucked, you can't do anything. And young quarterbacks just get chewed up.
I think the last few years has shown that elite quarterbacks are actually really bloody hard to find, so you are better off getting a guy with a bit of talent, and putting all the other pieces in place. Good o-line, a running threat so you can run play-action, pass rush.
And a winning culture. Throwing talent at a team used to losing doesn't just magically work, look at the Browns.
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@mariner4life said in NFL 2019:
@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
@mariner4life Same thing that happened with the Brooklyn Nets. Following that example, the risk for the Dolphins now is the high-profile free agent signing comes in and completely ruins team morale, and results go south as a result.
Miami should end up with the second-ranked QB in the draft. Bengals will take one with the top pick, but I don't think the Jets are ready to abandon Sam Darnold yet.
Yeah Darnold has shown enough to justify keeping him. Plus the offensive line play has been the worst in the league, the play calling has been atrocious and the young skill players haven't really step up (or they've been injured in the case of Herndon).
Jets priorities in the draft will be OL, CB, EDGE. Would not surprise me at all if they trade down, especially with Joe Douglas's reputation as a dealer. Jerry Jeudy might be a temptation if he's available wherever they draft.
The problem for the Dolphins (and Bengals) is that ideally you want your franchise QB to be the last guy you draft rather than the first, and at the very least you want your OL ready first. Darnold and Luck both show what happens when you put a top tier QB behind a rubbish line.
this league is all about the o-line now. If that's fucked, you can't do anything. And young quarterbacks just get chewed up.
I think the last few years has shown that elite quarterbacks are actually really bloody hard to find, so you are better off getting a guy with a bit of talent, and putting all the other pieces in place. Good o-line, a running threat so you can run play-action, pass rush.
And a winning culture. Throwing talent at a team used to losing doesn't just magically work, look at the Browns.
Yep, if a team has decent lines of both sides of the ball they can generally game plan around any other weaknesses. A defensive line can generally be covered if you have an elite secondary but the o-line can't be covered in the same way.
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The Lamar Jackson experience is also revealling, and I wonder if more teams will look to design their offence around their QB and his strengths rather than plugging someone into a set system and expecting it to work.
You could mount an argument that other QBs in Lamar's draft class would have far better results if their respective teams took the same approach as the Ravens.
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@barbarian said in NFL 2019:
The Lamar Jackson experience is also revealling, and I wonder if more teams will look to design their offence around their QB and his strengths rather than plugging someone into a set system and expecting it to work.
You could mount an argument that other QBs in Lamar's draft class would have far better results if their respective teams took the same approach as the Ravens.
You could say that's similar to what the Bills are doing with Allen - he had massive hype about his arm strength, massive red flags around his accuracy, so the Bills have mostly tried to avoid that.
Darnold this year has been a great example of not doing that though - Gase's playcalling does nothing to make Darnold's job easier (which would be making better use of his ability to throw on the move, and having two of the best route-running RBs in the league to help tip off coverages and create mismatches).
All that said, I'm still not sold on Jackson. There are enough guys in recent memory who looked like they were going to be great running QBs (RG3 and Tebow spring to mind immediately) after putting together one great season only for everything to fall apart.
It will be super interesting to see how things go into the playoffs and then next season when teams have had a whole season worth of tape to review.
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Amazing Monday Night Football game.
Both teams had their chances.
Seahawks win.
Feels like a huge missed opportunity for the 49ers and honestly as crazy as it sounds I think the 49ers season could fall apart. They lost 4-5 more players to injury and Seattle will now back themselves to win the division.
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
Amazing Monday Night Football game.
Both teams had their chances.
Seahawks win.
Feels like a huge missed opportunity for the 49ers and honestly as crazy as it sounds I think the 49ers season could fall apart. They lost 4-5 more players to injury and Seattle will now back themselves to win the division.
Yeah they have a brutal stretch. Only 2 of their remaining games are against teams with losing records, and one of those is against a division rival in the Cards and the other are the Falcons who are dangerous even if they're not getting it done.
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@Cyclops yep. Seahawks meanwhile are suddenly real contenders. They have the best QB in the league this season, they have Clowney playing like the #1 overall pick he was and theyve picked up Josh Gordon. Of course Carroll is a class coach as well.
People talk about the conferences in Super Rugby lacking balance - the divisions in NFL are just as bad.
The NFC West is incredibly strong meanwhile some of other divisions have multiple awful teams (NFC East, AFC East etc).
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@Cyclops yep. Seahawks meanwhile are suddenly real contenders. They have the best QB in the league this season, they have Clowney playing like the #1 overall pick he was and theyve picked up Josh Gordon. Of course Carroll is a class coach as well.
People talk about the conferences in Super Rugby lacking balance - the divisions in NFL are just as bad.
The NFC West is incredibly strong meanwhile some of other divisions have multiple awful teams (NFC East, AFC East etc).
Yeah the draws can be so unequal sometimes it's crazy. (Pats get the rest of AFC east twice and NFC east, and the Bengals). There's almost always one team that's 10-6 or 9-7 that misses out. But they don't seem to care as much. Maybe because it's always been like that?
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@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@Cyclops yep. Seahawks meanwhile are suddenly real contenders. They have the best QB in the league this season, they have Clowney playing like the #1 overall pick he was and theyve picked up Josh Gordon. Of course Carroll is a class coach as well.
People talk about the conferences in Super Rugby lacking balance - the divisions in NFL are just as bad.
The NFC West is incredibly strong meanwhile some of other divisions have multiple awful teams (NFC East, AFC East etc).
Yeah the draws can be so unequal sometimes it's crazy. (Pats get the rest of AFC east twice and NFC east, and the Bengals). There's almost always one team that's 10-6 or 9-7 that misses out. But they don't seem to care as much. Maybe because it's always been like that?
The league usually evens out.
NFC West is so strong atm, but there was a time when they were all complete trash (The winner of their division had a losing record). -
@KiwiMurph said in NFL 2019:
@Cyclops yep. Seahawks meanwhile are suddenly real contenders. They have the best QB in the league this season, they have Clowney playing like the #1 overall pick he was and theyve picked up Josh Gordon. Of course Carroll is a class coach as well.
People talk about the conferences in Super Rugby lacking balance - the divisions in NFL are just as bad.
The NFC West is incredibly strong meanwhile some of other divisions have multiple awful teams (NFC East, AFC East etc).
Yeah the draws can be so unequal sometimes it's crazy. (Pats get the rest of AFC east twice and NFC east, and the Bengals). There's almost always one team that's 10-6 or 9-7 that misses out. But they don't seem to care as much. Maybe because it's always been like that?
The league usually evens out.
NFC West is so strong atm, but there was a time when they were all complete trash (The winner of their division had a losing record).The weak become strong and the strong weak, sure but not even.
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A red mist moment. I hear the race card has been played....
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He broke Trevor Siemian's ankle with a late hit earlier this season too. The NFL doesn't generally do long suspensions (Did Burfict ever get more than 2 games for any of his shit?) for on field conduct. That's pretty disgraceful though - be amongst the worst incidents I've seen.
