New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2
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@dogmeat The Sky team had that scorecard up when Sunny was commentating here few weeks ago and were asking him about it. He reckoned he just couldn't get going and nor could any of the other Indians. A few other possible explanations...
Sunil Gavaskar's World Cup go-slow
The first World Cup match saw the most bizarre of innings from Sunil Gavaskar
MN5 - Botham reckons he purposely ran Geoffrey out - possibly against us.
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@MN5 Boycotts most infamous run out was this. Him scampering a suicidal single to get off strike when facing Thommo
TBF to Boycott he did go on to a century which was critical to winning the Test and later the Ashes but Arkle and his many fans were distraught
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@dogmeat said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
I think its more likely that you are thinking of India v England in the First CWC which is infamous for Sunny Gavaskar's turgid batting.
Batting first England got about 350. Gavaskar opened for India and carried his bat through the innings (60 overs) for [can't quite remember] somewhere in the 30's.
I can't really remember anything else about the match other than (obviously) India lost by truckloads.
Multiple theories abound for Gavaskar's behaviour including gave up so protected his average, was having a dummy spit because he wasn't captain, didn't agree with India's bowling selection. Whatever is was a display of utter fluffybunnyishness.
Clive Lloyd was accused of deliberately dropping Boycott in the 79 Final but always denied it. Boycott could be a selfish prick but I don't actually remember him being that bad (for his era) in ODI's. He scored painfully slowly but it was a time of no fielding restrictions and even guys like Kallicharan scored at a snails pace by today's standards. Once the game changed with guys like Richards and Botham Boycott was dropped from the England ODI squad. I don't think he deliberately batted slowly he just prized his wicket and was so risk averse and this was so ingrained that he wouldn't/couldn't hit out even when well on top if he thought it might risk getting out.
I remember the 79 final well. A very good score for the Windies (by today's standards and totally due to Sir Viv and the legendary Collis King) and Boycott and Brearley opening for England just accumulated and had a big partnership but at 3 an over. Left the talent of Randall, Gooch, Gower and Botham way too much to do in the final 20 overs (150 or so from memory in a 60 over game). I can believe the Windies happy to keep both openers in to be honest.
Collis King kept playing club cricket in Wales where his hitting on the tiny village grounds was the stuff of legends and he's still listed on Wiki as playing for Dunnington CC at the age of 67. And of course recently he was deported ... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/07/16/treated-like-criminal-britain-turned-back-west-indies-great/
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@KiwiPie Yeah Brearley was just as slow as Boycs without the (batting) talent.
I didn't know that about Collis King.
Same thing happened to me decades ago. I got married to a Pom and was told by Home Office that I had to wait 12 months and then apply for a spousal Visa. So I did nothing but about 18 months later decided to have a weekend in Paris (in the days when this was a major undertaking and very expensive).
Took a day off work to go down to Croydon and join the queues from the sub-continent, west Africa and Windies. Eventually got to the counter and explained what I wanted. They took my passport and called security and locked me in a room for 5 hours. It turned out I should have applied within twelve months.
Upshot was I was released but they led my passport. Missus and I had to go back to Croydon and be interviewed separately by two (seemed like) 18 year olds. Asked questions like "What brand of toothpaste do you have in your bathroom and what did you have for dinner last Tuesday......
In the end I told them they were working under a misguided impression that ours was a marriage of convenience, but what made them think it was so convenient to live in their godforsaken fucking country. They left me to stew meanwhile told my wife they would approve the Visa but that I had not treated the process with the seriousness it deserves. Never did get to Paris.
Turns out said Visa's are a bit of a crock anyway. Eventually came back to NZ to see if we wanted to move permanently. After 16 months we return to London. I hand over my passport open at the Visa that said given lifetime residence and was told that I was lucky as it expires after 18 months. So good luck Collis old son - you're going to fucking need it.
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@KiwiPie said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
@dogmeat said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
I think its more likely that you are thinking of India v England in the First CWC which is infamous for Sunny Gavaskar's turgid batting.
Batting first England got about 350. Gavaskar opened for India and carried his bat through the innings (60 overs) for [can't quite remember] somewhere in the 30's.
I can't really remember anything else about the match other than (obviously) India lost by truckloads.
Multiple theories abound for Gavaskar's behaviour including gave up so protected his average, was having a dummy spit because he wasn't captain, didn't agree with India's bowling selection. Whatever is was a display of utter fluffybunnyishness.
Clive Lloyd was accused of deliberately dropping Boycott in the 79 Final but always denied it. Boycott could be a selfish prick but I don't actually remember him being that bad (for his era) in ODI's. He scored painfully slowly but it was a time of no fielding restrictions and even guys like Kallicharan scored at a snails pace by today's standards. Once the game changed with guys like Richards and Botham Boycott was dropped from the England ODI squad. I don't think he deliberately batted slowly he just prized his wicket and was so risk averse and this was so ingrained that he wouldn't/couldn't hit out even when well on top if he thought it might risk getting out.
I remember the 79 final well. A very good score for the Windies (by today's standards and totally due to Sir Viv and the legendary Collis King) and Boycott and Brearley opening for England just accumulated and had a big partnership but at 3 an over. Left the talent of Randall, Gooch, Gower and Botham way too much to do in the final 20 overs (150 or so from memory in a 60 over game). I can believe the Windies happy to keep both openers in to be honest.
Collis King kept playing club cricket in Wales where his hitting on the tiny village grounds was the stuff of legends and he's still listed on Wiki as playing for Dunnington CC at the age of 67. And of course recently he was deported ... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/07/16/treated-like-criminal-britain-turned-back-west-indies-great/
we bemoan some average cricketers who've played for us but have a Google of Mike Brearleys record. He must have been THE best captain on earth to be as revered as he is.
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@MN5 said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
@KiwiPie said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
@dogmeat said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
I think its more likely that you are thinking of India v England in the First CWC which is infamous for Sunny Gavaskar's turgid batting.
Batting first England got about 350. Gavaskar opened for India and carried his bat through the innings (60 overs) for [can't quite remember] somewhere in the 30's.
I can't really remember anything else about the match other than (obviously) India lost by truckloads.
Multiple theories abound for Gavaskar's behaviour including gave up so protected his average, was having a dummy spit because he wasn't captain, didn't agree with India's bowling selection. Whatever is was a display of utter fluffybunnyishness.
Clive Lloyd was accused of deliberately dropping Boycott in the 79 Final but always denied it. Boycott could be a selfish prick but I don't actually remember him being that bad (for his era) in ODI's. He scored painfully slowly but it was a time of no fielding restrictions and even guys like Kallicharan scored at a snails pace by today's standards. Once the game changed with guys like Richards and Botham Boycott was dropped from the England ODI squad. I don't think he deliberately batted slowly he just prized his wicket and was so risk averse and this was so ingrained that he wouldn't/couldn't hit out even when well on top if he thought it might risk getting out.
I remember the 79 final well. A very good score for the Windies (by today's standards and totally due to Sir Viv and the legendary Collis King) and Boycott and Brearley opening for England just accumulated and had a big partnership but at 3 an over. Left the talent of Randall, Gooch, Gower and Botham way too much to do in the final 20 overs (150 or so from memory in a 60 over game). I can believe the Windies happy to keep both openers in to be honest.
Collis King kept playing club cricket in Wales where his hitting on the tiny village grounds was the stuff of legends and he's still listed on Wiki as playing for Dunnington CC at the age of 67. And of course recently he was deported ... https://www.telegraph.co.uk/cricket/2018/07/16/treated-like-criminal-britain-turned-back-west-indies-great/
we bemoan some average cricketers who've played for us but have a Google of Mike Brearleys record. He must have been THE best captain on earth to be as revered as he is.
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@KiwiPie you da man! Great way to pass time and nerd out between tests
Hmm so we are looking for longevity plus the guys who are proven at occupying the crease.
Taylor & Kane - expect them to factor in both formats
ODI's - Harris and everyone (couldn't resist) -
@Paekakboyz said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
@KiwiPie you da man! Great way to pass time and nerd out between tests
Hmm so we are looking for longevity plus the guys who are proven at occupying the crease.
Taylor & Kane - expect them to factor in both formats
ODI's - Harris and everyone (couldn't resist)Will need a Harris partner for that to be a nomination.
TESTS
- Taylor and Kane 65 partnerships, Average 54.68, 8 x 100s
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5. Taylor and Kane 61 partnerships, Average 56.46, 12 x 100s, 26 run outs (#madeupstats) -
Hogan and Jones?
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Fleming/Astle - likely high on ODI list, low or just missing the test list.
Fleming/McMillan - ODIs
McCullum/Taylor - ODIs.It wouldn't shock me if there was a wacky like Vettori/McCullum or Vettori/Martin just on the sheer amount of tests they played together in close proximity in the batting order.
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@rotated yeah I was thinking that Harris, Fleming and Vettori, and Taylor now I think about it would have batted heaps with other guys. Hmm McCullum will factor in for ODI's but possibly split between early career finisher role versus latter stages as an opener.
ODI - McCullum & Guptill?
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@rotated said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
Fleming/Astle - likely high on ODI list, low or just missing the test list.
Fleming/McMillan - ODIs
McCullum/Taylor - ODIs.It wouldn't shock me if there was a wacky like Vettori/McCullum or Vettori/Martin just on the sheer amount of tests they played together in close proximity in the batting order.
Fleming and Astle are number 1 for ODIs by a huge amount. Fleming/Macca are 6th, BMac & Rosco are way down
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@Chris-B said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
If we had some famous opening partnerships, those would be dead ringers, because they're guaranteed to bat together during each innings.
So for ODIs I'm going with Guppy-BMac.
For tests, Wright and Edgar.
Guppy and BMac are 3rd for ODIs.
Wright/Edgar are 2nd for tests.TESTS
- Taylor and Kane 65 partnerships, Average 54.68, 8 x 100s
- Wright and Edgar 60 partnerships, Average 31.42, 1 x 100s
ODIS
- Fleming and Astle 118 partnerships, Average 33.16, 9 x 100s
- Guptill and McCullum 64 partnerships, Average 45.61, 8 x 100s
- Taylor and Kane 61 partnerships, Average 56.46, 12 x 100s, 26 run outs (#madeupstats)
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@Cyclops said in New Zealand v Bangladesh Test #2:
Kane/Guptill and Kane/Baz in ODIs?
Yes for the first but Kane/Baz is really low - Baz generally was first man out! Only batted together 15 times for an average of 37.13
- Taylor and Kane 65 partnerships, Average 54.68, 8 x 100s
- Wright and Edgar 60 partnerships, Average 31.42, 1 x 100s
ODIS
- Fleming and Astle 118 partnerships, Average 33.16, 9 x 100s
- Guptill and Kane 65 partnerships, Average 46.57, 7 x 100s
- Guptill and McCullum 64 partnerships, Average 45.61, 8 x 100s
- Taylor and Kane 61 partnerships, Average 56.46, 12 x 100s, 26 run outs (#madeupstats)
