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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Paekakboyz said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
The world is fine we have infinite resources, so are not in any kind of trouble.
Are we taking that literally, or is it a resource accessibility assisted through tech type position?
Literally.
Not if we ban things like offshore oil and gas exploration.
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@No-Quarter said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Paekakboyz said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
The world is fine we have infinite resources, so are not in any kind of trouble.
Are we taking that literally, or is it a resource accessibility assisted through tech type position?
Literally.
Not if we ban things like offshore oil and gas exploration.
You are confusing resources with raw materials.
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@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@No-Quarter said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Paekakboyz said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
The world is fine we have infinite resources, so are not in any kind of trouble.
Are we taking that literally, or is it a resource accessibility assisted through tech type position?
Literally.
Not if we ban things like offshore oil and gas exploration.
You are confusing resources with raw materials.
Yes, I see what you mean now. Though if we outlaw the collection of raw materials I guess we limit our resources.
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@No-Quarter said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@No-Quarter said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Paekakboyz said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
The world is fine we have infinite resources, so are not in any kind of trouble.
Are we taking that literally, or is it a resource accessibility assisted through tech type position?
Literally.
Not if we ban things like offshore oil and gas exploration.
You are confusing resources with raw materials.
Yes, I see what you mean now. Though if we outlaw the collection of raw materials I guess we limit our resources.
Nope. Unless we outlaw collecting all raw materials, but even then.....
In 200 years we might decide that all we will collect is sea water.. you want to bet we couldnt do amazing things with just sea water in 200 years? In 1819, they would not have dream of some of the things we can do with materials they didnt even know existed or how to harvest. Our puny little 2019 imaginations cannot even comprehend what might be possible in 200 years. People just always apply todays ideas and tech to future shortages or supply. It has never worked that way and never will. -
@Baron-Silas-Greenback figured that was the take but thought I'd check 😁
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@Paekakboyz said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Baron-Silas-Greenback said in Is this thing sustainable?:
The world is fine we have infinite resources, so are not in any kind of trouble.
Are we taking that literally, or is it a resource accessibility assisted through tech type position?
Tidal, solar are two such examples of what Baron is talking about. Both are as close as you can get to being infinite.
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@MajorRage said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Kirwan that’s proper next level!!!
Baron mentioned 200 years, if we aren’t doing things like that then something has gone terribly wrong.
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@No-Quarter said in Is this thing sustainable?:
One other point around youth mental health I forgot to mention is the number of kids growing up in broken homes with little stability in their lives. Without a doubt that is having a negative impact. It's so important that we prioritise childrens well-being.
There is a bloke called Jonathon Haidt who is on a number of podcasts talking about his book "The coddling of the American mind", He speaks a load of truths about how we treat young people today and how we are setting them up for failure.
I grew up in a small NZ beach side community in the eighties. The only rules I had was be home before dark. I would leave home on my bike and go to a mates place, we then would do whatever we wanted, fishing, building huts, swimming, hanging out with mates. Mobile phones didn't exist, my mum really had no idea where I was but she trusted me and she trusted the people who lived in our village.
Because of this responsibility I developed skills that allowed me to talk to strangers and ask for help if needed. We would solve problems as they arose and we got to experience the world. We had freedom to be kids that I believe few have today due to the helicopter parenting that is common.
We also had a plethora of jobs we could get. I could do a paper run, milk run, rubbish collection, pump gas, cut grass, pack shelves etc etc. A lot of these jobs are being automated and young ones have less and less opportunities. Some parents don't want there kids to work as it may interfere with education.
Finally we didn't have social media, we actually spoke to our mates face to face. We didn't watch these fake perfect lives of others, we only had each other to compare with and I didn't know anyone who was rich and perfect. In fact I grew up in a housing commission area with plenty of drug use etc. However I thought it was paradise.
I actually feel sorry for young ones who are ruled by their smartphones.
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@jegga said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@chimoaus there’s a thread about universal income that discusses that podcast a fair bit . Have you heard the ones with Johann Hari where he discusses the Portugese and Swiss approach to drugs?
https://www.forum.thesilverfern.com/topic/1313/universal-income/78
Oh thanks for that will check it out, Yeah I read his books and think he makes loads of good points, his book on depression is interesting. I was nodding my head in agreement about so many of his points. I experienced many of these things first hand. No doubt he has his biases and there are plenty of people that discredit him but I like the dialogue he is starting. The war on drugs really doesn't work.
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@chimoaus Jonathan Haidt is fantastic, that book is next on my reading list. Looks like a must read especially for parents.
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@Kirwan said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@MajorRage said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@Kirwan that’s proper next level!!!
Baron mentioned 200 years, if we aren’t doing things like that then something has gone terribly wrong.
By then we should be able to harness the rage of a woman to discovers you’ve been home all day and haven’t bothered to empty the dishwasher.
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@Siam said in Is this thing sustainable?:
@chimoaus loved his idea about giving kids time with no adult intervention.
There's a fucking lot of "I'm telling on you" in this day and age
It’s kind of a shame they are having to organise this when it was standard once upon a time. I was actually proud that my nephew walks to primary school on his own. It’s funny because getting a ride to school in a car was foreign when I went to school. You either caught the bus, walked or rode your bike.
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@chimoaus yep. Perhaps a gradual stepwise change starting at cannabis and opiates might be the most effective strategy.
Would love to learn how Portugal is in regards to their drug policy. Need objective info though, not info aligning to a particular narrative
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This vid makes some good points/observations.
Might not be relevant in your neighbourhood but there are some foreboding signs on a world scale, particularly the 2 western super states.
These are very different times than anything we've had in a couple of centuries in my opinion
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This interview could also be in the podcast thread.
It's Niall Ferguson (history professor and great commentator) being interviewed expertly by John Anderson in Aus.
It's A great conversation and expertly imparts knowledge. It simply makes you feel smarter for watching or listening to it. No ideology spruiking, (nothing like the above vid) just measured observations.
Worth an hour and a half of your time
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@siam said in [Is this thing sustainable?]
Just 2 years ago:
A little bit interesting opening a wee "time capsule"🙂
There are some great comments.
How are we tracking now?🤔
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Earth
Us
The trajectory that the western world (we know most about that) is on looks to my layman eye to be due a calamity. The place feels imbalanced and unstable.
The systems and standards we've thrived with seem, suddenly, vulnerable.
What to think is going to happen in the next 10 -15 years?
Everything sweet?
Anyone see any big holes?
Disclaimers:
Been ruminating on getting fern input about our progress observations on this for a while.
Can a thread develop based on data and universal truths rather than conspiracy theories?
Solid observations would be preferable.
In our lifetimes of "everything gets better", could we be on the precipice of the down slide, like previous eras in long ago history?
A couple of things have been irksome to me of late.
Eric Weinstein has hinted at the frailty of the economics of the world. I don't know but it seems like there's a puppeteer pulling convenient strings somewhere, to stretch a metaphor. Seems like a lot of worthless stuff valued at a fortune. Weinstein's, "If only you knew" tone of voice triggered me. He's pretty honest.
And, Dan Carlin, I think, mused "If someone could design a fridge guaranteed to last 10 years, would it ever get to market?"
How do we keep up with such "demand" for consumer items? Raw products supply? Developing nations creating a bigger market? Raw products supply
Dunno.
Politics is rooted. Carlin, I like the historical insights, noted that when a 2 party government race gets stale or seesaws, (like most places now) the people look to a pragmatic, strong male figure to lead them out of the mire. US, Phillipines, Brazil etc? I think his reference was the 2nd world war lead up.
Oil's a fluffybunny no matter what way you look at it, unless you have some. How long do we keep chugging down that path? Where/who does the compromise come from?
Gargantuan profits at the expense of everything else seems to be the order of the day. How does that change?
The sobering thought that a week of no internet would be an historical moment. A month and the whole planet's changed forever, no? Ditto electricity. We're a bit vulnerable aren't we?
Islam's not going away in the west. Therefore that pusy scab's not going away without a punch up.
SJWs and lefty dickheads will probably run out of steam. Dunno, hope so.
Environment is too big to be definitive on anything. Like trying to fix a tank with no tools, only bare hands. Won't budge it fuck all but if everyone contributed you could achieve something. Everyone would have to be on board I reckon.
Anyway this thread is for no disputes, more for solid info based musings on our path for the next 20 years. Obviously, I know fuck all but above a few areas to frame some thoughts on. There'll be more I hope.
Lastly I'm not trying to go all henny penny, or indeed chicken little on you, just stuck in my echo chamber with a deep confusion of how everything keeps afloat.
No use dwelling morbidly on the future. Better to focus on a good life now, but it's useful to keep an ear open on what folks can see.
Instinct, nothing else really, nags that we're due a shake up soon. Haven't had one for 80 odd years. Looks like we're all spoiling for some outrage. Won't be a war I dont think but a depression? Dunno
@NTA and @Calf piqued my interest in some things they said in another thread. I hope they won't mind me quoting:
*At the same time, the bigger picture for me is the general theme of the way society is going in western countries. Professional politics is giving us a system that is not representative. The systems we've got are inbred, but still smart enough to let just enough controversy off the leash in order to keep us focussed on arguing little shit, instead of the big stuff.
As @Calf said: housing, finances, bankruptcies, corruption (which is going to happen, but seems to be growing), health, education, etc*.
So what's up you reckon?
She'll be right, it always is, OR anyone see any upcoming icebergs?
All observations and opinions welcome 🙂
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I'll have a go at some thoughts. Which I'm sure leaves everybody surprised ...
Covid has changed a huge amount of things obviously.
@siam said in Is this thing sustainable?:
The trajectory that the western world (we know most about that) is on looks to my layman eye to be due a calamity. The place feels imbalanced and unstable.
I think it feels even worse now to be honest. Although a lot of that is due to more information being available, and people spending more time on listening to other opinions.
The systems and standards we've thrived with seem, suddenly, vulnerable.
What to think is going to happen in the next 10 -15 years?
Everything sweet? >
Anyone see any big holes?The existence of twitter I believe has been the biggest hole in this planets existence. That is not a new opinion though!
In our lifetimes of "everything gets better", could we be on the precipice of the down slide, like previous eras in long ago history?
Unequivocally.
Eric Weinstein has hinted at the frailty of the economics of the world. I don't know but it seems like there's a puppeteer pulling convenient strings somewhere, to stretch a metaphor. Seems like a lot of worthless stuff valued at a fortune. Weinstein's, "If only you knew" tone of voice triggered me. He's pretty honest.
The puppeteer had some fun in the last year didn't (s)he!
How do we keep up with such "demand" for consumer items? Raw products supply? Developing nations creating a bigger market? Raw products supply
Supply and demand still works. The emergence of China has put colossal strain on resources & supply chains across almost every facet, however the building blocks are still there. People don't need the colossal amount of shit they acquire.
Politics is rooted. Carlin, I like the historical insights, noted that when a 2 party government race gets stale or seesaws, (like most places now) the people look to a pragmatic, strong male figure to lead them out of the mire. US, Phillipines, Brazil etc? I think his reference was the 2nd world war lead up.
Im no history buff, but it does feel like we are heading towards another war, of sorts. Politics is rooted because the left and right don't listen to each other anymore. People exist in their echo chambers and simply discredit anybody who disagrees with them. A left right debate is supposed to make you think, not make you angry. Quite a few of us here mock the Guardian consistently, and it should be mocked on many of it's left wing / far left articles. However, it should still be read to understand the basic positioning of those on the other side of the political spectrum.
I also don't feel that people listen so much anymore to learn, but listen to respond.
Oil's a fluffybunny no matter what way you look at it, unless you have some. How long do we keep chugging down that path? Where/who does the compromise come from?
I think we are moving on from oil in a lot of ways. I'm unconvinced on how this affect other supply chains, but the experts seem to need not be worried. So maybe I shouldn't either.
Gargantuan profits at the expense of everything else seems to be the order of the day. How does that change?
I don't think I agree with this anymore. Sustainability is extremely important & although profits will still dictate the majority of corporate strategy, there are huge strides being taken in other areas. So it's no longer at the expensive of everything. Just most things ....
The sobering thought that a week of no internet would be an historical moment. A month and the whole planet's changed forever, no? Ditto electricity. We're a bit vulnerable aren't we?
Even more so now.
Islam's not going away in the west.
Not going down this path. Removed your colour comment ...
SJWs and lefty dickheads will probably run out of steam. Dunno, hope so.
Completely disagree. This is only going to get worse. Racial commentators here in the UK are really stoking the fire in the interest of "raising awareness". It's really bad. It's going to implode into racewars soon, no doubt about it.
Environment is too big to be definitive on anything. Like trying to fix a tank with no tools, only bare hands. Won't budge it fuck all but if everyone contributed you could achieve something. Everyone would have to be on board I reckon.
Just China & the US to go. There is enough extreme wokeness in the US For this to happen there. China, not so much.
Anyway this thread is for no disputes, more for solid info based musings on our path for the next 20 years. Obviously, I know fuck all but above a few areas to frame some thoughts on. There'll be more I hope.
Does my opinion count as solid info .... ?
Lastly I'm not trying to go all henny penny, or indeed chicken little on you, just stuck in my echo chamber with a deep confusion of how everything keeps afloat. No use dwelling morbidly on the future. Better to focus on a good life now, but it's useful to keep an ear open on what folks can see.
Absolutely agree. But what I see, isn't good.
Instinct, nothing else really, nags that we're due a shake up soon. Haven't had one for 80 odd years. Looks like we're all spoiling for some outrage. Won't be a war I dont think but a depression? Dunno
Definitely a depression, but economies, systems and technology are much better now to bounce back. You just need a large percentage to be on board. But it seems the larger percentage is more interested in other things.
@NTA and @Calf piqued my interest in some things they said in another thread. I hope they won't mind me quoting:
*At the same time, the bigger picture for me is the general theme of the way society is going in western countries. Professional politics is giving us a system that is not representative. The systems we've got are inbred, but still smart enough to let just enough controversy off the leash in order to keep us focussed on arguing little shit, instead of the big stuff.It's not representative of the younger generation, agreed. But just because they are shouting the loudest, it doesn't mean they are the majority.
So what's up you reckon? She'll be right, it always is, OR anyone see any upcoming icebergs? All observations and opinions welcome 🙂
I'm not optimistic.
Is this thing sustainable?