NH Ditch Junior rep sides
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@JK said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
I think its just ripper rugby but for older kids who aren't keen on the contact?
What kids who want to play rugby aren't keen on contact? I had two friends at primary/intermediate whose Mum's wouldn't let them play rugby when they were kids (as they were small) and they were the roughest little buggers when playing league at lunch time.
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@Nepia said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@JK said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
I think its just ripper rugby but for older kids who aren't keen on the contact?
What kids who want to play rugby aren't keen on contact? I had two friends at primary/intermediate whose Mum's wouldn't let them play rugby when they were kids (as they were small) and they were the roughest little buggers when playing league at lunch time.
No idea eh! When my lad played ripper (4,5 and 6 years old) he was gagging to play tackle asap. His whole team were. But had to wait until was 7 before they could. Cant imagine any of them not wanting to go to tackle. It was hard enough stopping them from tackling while playing ripper!
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@Nepia yeah IMO you teach the kids the right technique when they are 20kg dripping wet and the opposition are all mostly similar sizes it sets them up better for when they get into thier teens and facing kids over 100kg.
My sons U14 team has a kid who is 39kg, facing a kid last weekend who is 104kg, he made a copy book tackle on him...I dont expect that would have happened if it was his first year of contact rugby.
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@taniwharugby said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Nepia yeah IMO you teach the kids the right technique when they are 20kg dripping wet and the opposition are all mostly similar sizes it sets them up better for when they get into thier teens and facing kids over 100kg.
My sons U14 team has a kid who is 39kg, facing a kid last weekend who is 104kg, he made a copy book tackle on him...I dont expect that would have happened if it was his first year of contact rugby.
That's the unintended consequence of these sorts of rules, technique gets learned later and we'll end up with more injuries.
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@JK they have a nationwide Primary Schools Rippa tournie...or maybe they dont in NH
AFAIK this doesnt go beyond Primary School though, which is odd.
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@taniwharugby said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@JK they have a nationwide Primary Schools Rippa tournie...or maybe they dont in NH
AFAIK this doesnt go beyond Primary School though, which is odd.
Yeah they still got that. My lad does it (year 5)
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Ta$man opted out too now
https://www.nzherald.co.nz/sport/news/article.cfm?c_id=4&objectid=12230388
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@JK I had heard it has been tabled at NRU too, from what I gathered one of the bigwigs announced NRU was following suit of NH, but hadnt done due process or consulted the right people and was promptly told yeah nah.
The 2 Whangarei sub-union U13 rep teams up here had trials over the weekend.
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The Wellington Rugby Football Union will become the latest province to disband their under-13 representative teams. The move follows on from North Harbour, Canterbury, Auckland, Southland, Otago, South Canterbury, Taranaki and Ta$man, which have all done away with the youngest of their rep teams. The youngest rep team in all of these regions, including Wellington, will now be under-16. It is expected this will be the status quo for every provincial union eventually..
It will be interesting to see what's going to happen in other provinces. I know that Hawke's Bay has already planned U14 selection and training camps for mid-July, and they usually play at least 3 games each year (last year, two against Manawatu and one against Waikato). -
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@mikedogz said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rumour going around that this the last year for Waikato Under 13 rep teams.
at the risk of kicking this thread off again, I think I'm pretty ok with no rep rugby for under 13s. It's still primary school stuff, and seems to have little to no correlation to future success.
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@nzzp nitpicking...U13 is intermediate.
It looks like it will soon be rolled out nationwide anyway, and even for the unions that opt to keep it, they probably wont have anyone to play.
With no NH and article stating Auckland out, must put Roller Mills in doubt this year too?
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@taniwharugby said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@nzzp nitpicking...U13 is intermediate.
ah, fair cop fella. Our local primary includes intermediate ... so I'm totally right from my point of view, and you're propagating hate speech
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@nzzp said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@mikedogz said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
Rumour going around that this the last year for Waikato Under 13 rep teams.
at the risk of kicking this thread off again, I think I'm pretty ok with no rep rugby for under 13s. It's still primary school stuff, and seems to have little to no correlation to future success.
I hear ya but by fuck as a 12/13 year old, if you made a rep team it was the highlight of your life at that point. It was fucking great and exciting!
So ok, let's ditch that experience for the few so as not to upset every kid, and I certainly remember some talented kids from shit homes getting some hearty and worthwhile experiences and sense of worth from rep sports.
I know some of the theories, arguments and outcomes for ditching these teams but is there ever a time when too much progress is detrimental.
Can we just have sport and activities for the benefit of everyone at the time rather than ALWAYS having an end goal objective, which invariably results in something else being taken away from the actual participants?Agree no correlation for later "eliteness", but does there have to be? Reminds me of East Germany and Chinese Olympic ideals.
Damn the kids' fun! We're simply not getting gold medallists and the non rugby keen kids and their mothers are getting upset.
(Those were the days rant over)
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@Siam yeah but for us older guys the dream was the ABs, which is still true but rugby is pro and a legit career. Scouting etc is way more intense from an earlier age and if the current system is leading to lower numbers then I'm all for change.
The good ones will make it through and hopefully we'll snaffle some late bloomers who might have given up by 13/14. More active players carrying through to club level is a big goal too. -
This seems the best thread to post this in:
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@Stargazer seems positive to me. Heard a few things about it on RS this morning and they are really trying to highlight that it's about competing and participation, rather than focusing solely on one aspect or the other. More kids of all ages playing sport is a good thing imo, even if the rep/elite level stuff starts a bit later.
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@Stargazer I heard the interview. Apparently peak physical involvement for humans is ages 11-12 after which participation rates drop off a cliff.
Main reason given by kids for calling it quits by kids: coping with the expectations of adults especially around winning and performance.
I'm all in favour of competitive sport but its a sad indictment when kids are giving up sport in droves because parents and coaches drive the fun out of it when all the kids want to do is have fun and bond with their mates.
I never had enough talent to be burdened with expectation but I have seen and heard plenty of parents who relive their "glory days" (that probably never were) vicariously through their kids
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@dogmeat said in NH Ditch Junior rep sides:
@Stargazer I heard the interview. Apparently peak physical involvement for humans is ages 11-12 after which participation rates drop off a cliff.
Main reason given by kids for calling it quits by kids: coping with the expectations of adults especially around winning and performance.
I'm all in favour of competitive sport but its a sad indictment when kids are giving up sport in droves because parents and coaches drive the fun out of it when all the kids want to do is have fun and bond with their mates.
I never had enough talent to be burdened with expectation but I have seen and heard plenty of parents who relive their "glory days" (that probably never were) vicariously through their kids
it's a freaking hard road as a parent to balance that expectation. It's our job to push them to "be the best they can be" and to show that input gets output. But also to ensure they are having fun at all times, and like what they are doing, as the intangibles of team sport are numerous.
