2019 Rugby World Cup
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
Yep. The guys playing with themselves (so to speak) may actually be better.
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@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
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@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It's late in the typhoon season, this is a super typhoon and its projected path takes out most of the viable venues and traffic routes on a busy weekend.
The worst Typhoons are usually late in the season and they hit japan. Some other contingencies could have been arranged I think.
Like? Book all the hotels? Book all the stadiums? For the entirety of the pool stage?
Still play the match somewhere else even if an empty stadium. Only teams and officials need to be there.
You still have to find an available suitable venue and then be able to transport and house the teams and officials.
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@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
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@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
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@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.
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You still have to find an available suitable venue and then be able to transport and house the teams and officials.
That really shouldn't be that hard, (there are plenty of stadia) if planned in advance, and they could all still be flying today , trains all still running, buses even- the matches were cancelled yesterday. Accommodation close enough to a rugby ground would definitely have been achievable too.
It's not ideal, but could have been done with some prior thought. This shouldn't have been a surprise but somebody said "too hard" or "never going to happen" and it wasn't planned for when it should have been.
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@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
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@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Definitely shit situation.
They would have had to add a couple of days to the whole tournament for postponement days I think, to keep it fair, but better than this mess I reckon. Accommodation for teams and officials within a couple of hours of the ground would be doable. The fans are screwed, but would at least get to see their team play on TB. -
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@antipodean said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@mariner4life said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
It would be really interesting to see how this affects things in the camps.
These Cup runs would have been planned to some very fine detail. Training loads, game minutes, specific work-ons and plans, all would have been built around 4 games in the time frames provided, with a view to be peaking for the next 3 weeks. For a couple of teams, that is out the window now.
England are probably happier than we are, as dropping a loseable, top-level test a week out from knock-outs is not a bad thing. We, however, have dropped a tune-up. The coaches would have based rotations and loads around 40-80 minutes of running around this week. You'll never get a straight answer, but i hope to read about it at some point.
I doubt playing Italy would have added much beyond dealing with the irritant of players cheating at the breakdown. They're simply not good enough to challenge us at key aspects of the game.
I disagree. Not on your comments about the outcome of the game. But you can absolutely bet that the coaches had certain things they wanted out of the game. Something specific they wanted worked on, or just time in the middle for guys like Brodie. Those things are out the window now, and the plans have to be tweaked. It's too late to up a training load, so what ever engine Brodie currently has is what he plays next weekend on.
Or they do something on the captains run to simulate more.
so, a change in plans then?
You ask like that aspect was ever debated by anyone.
I'm really lost as to what your argument with my post was then?
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@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
Totally agree, this wasn’t some freak occurrence that no one saw coming. It was entirely predictable.
The fact they chose to have a contingency plan of “lets have no plan and just cancel” is an absolute joke for a tournament like this.The lack of accommodation excuse is a cop out. This isn’t invercargil. How many millions of people live in these cities? You can’t find 100 hotel rooms?
The fact that the day after the event is likely to be completely fine also lends itself to reserve days being a perfect solution too. The Cricket world cup had them. Why can’t the rugby? If fans miss out because they had booked travel then tough shit. At least the tournament is actually carried on.
Again it’s not the fact that these games won’t be played during 200km/hr winds. It’s the fact they came up with precisely zero plan to deal with a totally predictable issue.
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@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Agree.
The cancellations have just happened top occur on this final weekend. But if it had been on Wednesday (and reserve days were 'mandatory' or expected), and Scotland had been forced to have their game postponed by 1 day, then their 3 day turnaround turns into a 2 day turnaround.Or if France's game v USA was delayed by 1 day and they pay Tonga after a 2 day turnaround.
etc etc etc
If they expand the world cup and get rid of the uneven pool numbers, then they can introduce reserve days into their next world cup schedule. As every one will have even turnarounds.
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@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
Much like our current measles outbreak
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@pukunui said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Snowy said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@jegga said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
@Winger said in 2019 Rugby World Cup:
What a complete shambles this has become.
It makes the RWC organizers look like incompetent fools
Yes , yes their inability to prevent a hurricane is an obvious sign of incompetence.
Not knowing that this was probable, and then having rules in place to prevent any decent contingency venue, or postponement days, could be considered incompetence I think.
I’m not sure postponement days would have worked and the logistics of moving accommodation and fans would test anyone. It’s a shit situation though
Its a shit situation that had a good likelihood of occurring. Yet the organizers seemed to be totally unprepared for.
Totally agree, this wasn’t some freak occurrence that no one saw coming. It was entirely predictable.
The fact they chose to have a contingency plan of “lets have no plan and just cancel” is an absolute joke for a tournament like this.The lack of accommodation excuse is a cop out. This isn’t invercargil. How many millions of people live in these cities? You can’t find 100 hotel rooms?
The fact that the day after the event is likely to be completely fine also lends itself to reserve days being a perfect solution too. The Cricket world cup had them. Why can’t the rugby? If fans miss out because they had booked travel then tough shit. At least the tournament is actually carried on.
Again it’s not the fact that these games won’t be played during 200km/hr winds. It’s the fact they came up with precisely zero plan to deal with a totally predictable issue.
They will have reserve days for the knockout stages, they don't for the pool stages.
This is in fact exactly the same as the Cricket WC.
Because the knockout stages are even numbers and all have week long (6 or 7 days) turnarounds. The pool stages don't.
