Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad
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@rotated said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
First XI
Guptill
Munro
Williamson (capt)
Taylor
Nicholls
Latham (wk, vc)
de Grandhomme
Santner
Southee
Boult
FergusonI think a lot of people would go with this side or similar, the issue is what are your options if Ferguson or Santner can't find their line or de Grandhomme becomes easy pickings?
Kane is a good 6th option, but seems reluctant to bowl himself. Then what? Munro? Guppy? I think you need more insurance (e.g. Munro out Neesham in, Latham to open).
Keep seeing this re: Santner - what is it that makes you think he won't find his line? With a career RPO under 5 he's probably our least likely bowler to get hit around. I'd be far more concerned with Southee from our frontline attack whose recent stats don't make for pretty reading.
It's a fair point re: the other 10 overs though, it's extremely unlikely we will get more than 5 out of CdG so we would be relying on Kane and Munro to get through some overs as well which is a risk.
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Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
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@rotated said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
You don't understand my argument against him but agree that his stat's aren't good enough?? Umm.....
Munro's career stats aren't good enough, but he has improved and given his role I think his T20I returns do matter. I do not see anyone qualified to replace him if we are looking someone who can score over a run a ball in the first 15. If Neesham wants to have a crack opening I'm all for it.
Latham is the reasonable and obvious option but as Sprinko points out it completely changes the complexion of the batting order and we are left without enough firepower unless other changes are made down the order IMO.
As others have said the only significant concern is Latham's tendency to start slow. Desirable in test matches, ODIs and 20/20 not so much
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@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Munro has had 46 games. 46 games. And only managed 7 scores over 50
49 is a danger score for him - he's got three of those! So three more strategically placed runs and he'd have 10 half centuries.
He's also batted a lot at 6 & 7, which as you well know is a different role and not conducive to getting lots of 50s/100s - especially in a team where the top order is doing its job.
As above, I also take his T20 results into account - and in that format, he's got a pretty comparable record to Guppy.
But generally, I pretty much agree with @No-Quarter's summary. He's worth a gamble to give us a fast start.
Other thing is - we've got nine round robin matches at the CWC, so we'll need to juggle things and if people are proving to be busts, we'll have the option to drop them.
Hopefully, we make the play-offs and hopefully by that time the top combination in terms of talent and form will be pretty obvious.
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@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I think his basic role is to score quickly, and if he gets out cheaply, that's a calculated risk. Guptill is the anchor of the two, and Williamson and Taylor provide a lot of solidity to balance that risk.
He's the embodiment of the strategy set in place by Macca and Hesson
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@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@Godder said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I think his basic role is to score quickly, and if he gets out cheaply, that's a calculated risk. Guptill is the anchor of the two, and Williamson and Taylor provide a lot of solidity to balance that risk.
He's the embodiment of the strategy set in place by Macca and Hesson
The strategy makes a lot more sense when it is a guy with obvious limitations like Munro putting a cheap price on his wicket and throwing the dice. When it is a talented batsman capable of a captain's knock - less so.
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
I don't hopeitalicised text the Munro defenders are going to be found out during the India series, but I kind of assume you will be.
Look I'm only defending Munro because he has no defence himself.
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@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
So why is he not in the side again? Down the pecking order? Coming back into form?
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@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@No-Quarter said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Re: Munro. I'm not really a fan, I think he gets found out by quality opposition as he's really just a hitter with a good eye and shit technique. But we're really struggling to find a decent opener to partner Guppy.
Latham is the only other contender who has averaged more than 30 in that position in the past few years. It's not a bad idea, but would completely change our approach as both he and Guppy tend to start slow and build into their innings. So we'd be putting all our eggs in the final 10 overs with the hope that we'd score enough then to get a competitive total, which can heap a lot of pressure on the middle/lower order. I'm not convinced we have the finishers to make that work consistently.
Given Munro's T20 form I think he's worth a gamble at the top, with Latham floating as an insurance policy.
Pretty well put.
I seriously believe though that a poor series against India will put Munro's position under immense threat. So if not Latham, due to that tendency to start slow and build into an innings (valid when I dig into his stats), then who can we use in lieu of Munro? How about this: Corey Anderson.
Thoughts?
When is he ever fit? Another strong guy with fast hands, not sure of his technique though
I think he's fit at the moment and playing as a batsman for ND.
So why is he not in the side again? Down the pecking order? Coming back into form?
Presumably they see him as needing to be able to bowl. While he's back batting, I'm guessing his form isn't stellar or he'd already be in the conversation. We know what he can do though and would he be any worse than Munro?
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Look at his recent batting record:
Corey Anderson Profile - Cricket Player U.S.A. | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Corey Anderson cricket player from U.S.A. profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
I don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
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@LABCAT said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Look at his recent batting record:
Corey Anderson Profile - Cricket Player U.S.A. | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Corey Anderson cricket player from U.S.A. profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
I don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
Can't get to that info on my phone. The link only goes to his standard profile.
I'm just throwing his name out there as a possibility.
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@LABCAT said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
Look at his recent batting record:
Corey Anderson Profile - Cricket Player U.S.A. | Stats, Records, Video
Read about Corey Anderson cricket player from U.S.A. profile, stats, rankings, records, videos, photos at ESPNcricinfo
I don't think he will be making the team as an all rounder let alone as a batsmen only.
Can't get to that info on my phone. The link only goes to his standard profile.
I'm just throwing his name out there as a possibility.
I'm assuming if he was good enough and fit enough he'd be in the mix
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@shark said in Black Caps 2019 Cricket World Cup Squad:
@canefan he's good enough. I thought we'd all know that. Particularly in comparison to Munro. Fitness and form are the issues, which aren't insignificant. But he could be a Watson-esque option for the BCs if he can sort those criteria.
Awesome. Every team needs someone horrifically overrated in their line up....
