2020 All Blacks Squad
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@Nepia said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
sans the occasional one-off game when he may have been the best in NZ for the period of a weekend
Why are you stupidly going on with this other than for trolling reasons or you in fact didn't watch any Blues or Auckland games last year other than ones involving the Crusaders?
Why are you stupidly, ignorantly and arrogantly persisting with this theme about Ioane's form as if I'm the only one in the world who doesn't think you're correct? And you're blatantly not. This opinion you have has surely been tinted by rose coloured glasses. Find me any media anywhere, where a commentator or journalist has stated Ioane is the best 8 in the country. Please. It won't be there. So by all means, advance your horrific opinion but don't try and belittle me as you attempt to re-write history and I stand in your way.
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@shark to your credit, not including paragraphs in your posts does make them read slightly deranged which matches the content nicely.
Multiple posters, from different franchises, are making similar points now. And we’ve been discussing his workload for over 18 months now, a weird claim to say that’s recent.
Need to read more than just the Crusader posts.
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https://stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/117130819/all-blacks-need-a-revamp-from-stale-pale-and-male
How about we pick the best coaches? Lam, Tana, Matson, really? Just because of their ethnicity? The Lam era at the Blues was futile, same with Tana. I dont care if a guy is red with yellow polka dots, if the person can coach then hopefully they get a chance on merit.
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@canefan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
https://stuff.co.nz/sport/rugby/opinion/117130819/all-blacks-need-a-revamp-from-stale-pale-and-male
How about we pick the best coaches? Lam, Tana, Matson, really? Just because of their ethnicity? The Lam era at the Blues was futile, same with Tana. I dont care if a guy is red with yellow polka dots, if the person can coach then hopefully they get a chance on merit.
Who the hell is the guy writing this drivelA twat .
A mate sent me this article an hour ago, the Herald is running it too. Why does it have to be a polynesian or melanesian coach? You're still excluding a bunch of races , its probably just better to judge a coach on their ability not their race.
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@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
An area we're sorely lacking in as things stand is grunt from the loose forward group. We have a proliferation of world-class openside flankers we seem to want to shoe-horn in ala Pooper and Smith/Waugh as we lack depth at 6, and as of 2020 we have a dire hole at 8 as well. (Still not dire enough to try Ioane though). Savea is an openside flanker, as of course is Cane. We need a couple of chunky lads in 6 and 8. Maybe Squire comes back and that helps, but we need a Fifita or Frizzell to stake a legit claim and/or a Blackadder to break through in SR. It's noticeable that throughout our game, loose forwards and locks are 'shrinking'. We first see our midget packs get beaten up by SA and England in the U20s and this has started to translate into the senior ranks. We have far too many blindside flankers playing as under sized locks in Super Rugby and even moreso in the NPC, and too few 8s and 6s regularly playing in those positions who have genuine size (around 1.92m+) and bulk. We also have stuff all 2m+ locks coming through (compared to around 10 - 15 years ago when we were flush in that department) and our openside flankers are on average getting smaller I reckon. Look at the emerging talent like Harmon and Kirifi. Harmon replaces another midget in Todd. Dillon Hunt isn't big either.
10-15 years our locks were rubbish, we had Ali and Jack and fuck all else. It wasn’t until Brad Thorn came back and Whitelock came onto the scene that we actually got decent there. Luckily BBBR followed BBBT so there was no drop off.
As far as i know Squire is off overseas too. Which is good because he definitely isn’t the answer to any questions we should be asking.
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@geebee said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan worst sort of woke drivel. Pick people for any job based on their ability, not sex or race.
like that happens in the real world.
I didn’t say it did. I’m saying what I think should be our aim.
Picking people based on race is a huge step backwards.
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@geebee said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@canefan worst sort of woke drivel. Pick people for any job based on their ability, not sex or race.
like that happens in the real world.
which coach was picked on their race not their ability?
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so will Joseph or Rennie fulfill the 'quota' of Coaches?
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@taniwharugby I selected the woke-est of coaching teams a week ago which covers all bases. Will keep the "merit" blokes happy and ensure 'representation of minorities (in coaching terms)' at AB level
.Rennie (PI, North Islander), Joseph (Maori, South Islander), Robertson (Pakeha and former Crusader player).
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@pukunui said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
An area we're sorely lacking in as things stand is grunt from the loose forward group. We have a proliferation of world-class openside flankers we seem to want to shoe-horn in ala Pooper and Smith/Waugh as we lack depth at 6, and as of 2020 we have a dire hole at 8 as well. (Still not dire enough to try Ioane though). Savea is an openside flanker, as of course is Cane. We need a couple of chunky lads in 6 and 8. Maybe Squire comes back and that helps, but we need a Fifita or Frizzell to stake a legit claim and/or a Blackadder to break through in SR. It's noticeable that throughout our game, loose forwards and locks are 'shrinking'. We first see our midget packs get beaten up by SA and England in the U20s and this has started to translate into the senior ranks. We have far too many blindside flankers playing as under sized locks in Super Rugby and even moreso in the NPC, and too few 8s and 6s regularly playing in those positions who have genuine size (around 1.92m+) and bulk. We also have stuff all 2m+ locks coming through (compared to around 10 - 15 years ago when we were flush in that department) and our openside flankers are on average getting smaller I reckon. Look at the emerging talent like Harmon and Kirifi. Harmon replaces another midget in Todd. Dillon Hunt isn't big either.
10-15 years our locks were rubbish, we had Ali and Jack and fuck all else. It wasn’t until Brad Thorn came back and Whitelock came onto the scene that we actually got decent there. Luckily BBBR followed BBBT so there was no drop off.
As far as i know Squire is off overseas too. Which is good because he definitely isn’t the answer to any questions we should be asking.
The point being made isn't about whether we have world class 2m+ locks, but SR capable 2m+ locks, or are we generally a bit smaller than in that period. In and around the period I've mentioned we had Jack, Williams, Ryan (briefly), Eaton, Clarke, O'Neill, Donnelly, Ross and then Whitelock and Retallick emerging. If someone had the time and inclination to do the analysis I reckon the stats would back up my assertion. How many 2m+ guys will play SR next year? Or even 1.98m+ guys. And then how many games will Blackwell, Hemopo, Frizzell, Parete, Fifita etc etc play at lock?
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@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark to your credit, not including paragraphs in your posts does make them read slightly deranged which matches the content nicely.
Multiple posters, from different franchises, are making similar points now. And we’ve been discussing his workload for over 18 months now, a weird claim to say that’s recent.
Need to read more than just the Crusader posts.
No idea what you're on about re excluding paragraphs. Whatever comes through when I hit the 'quote' button, comes through. Maybe you need a technician in?
This isn't a Crusaders player we're talking about, and he's not even in competition with a Crusaders player for the All Blacks, yet you're alluding to a franchise bias. And I'm deranged?
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@shark said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@Kirwan said in 2020 All Blacks Squad:
@shark to your credit, not including paragraphs in your posts does make them read slightly deranged which matches the content nicely.
Multiple posters, from different franchises, are making similar points now. And we’ve been discussing his workload for over 18 months now, a weird claim to say that’s recent.
Need to read more than just the Crusader posts.
No idea what you're on about re excluding paragraphs. Whatever comes through when I hit the 'quote' button, comes through. Maybe you need a technician in?
This isn't a Crusaders player we're talking about, and he's not even in competition with a Crusaders player for the All Blacks, yet you're alluding to a franchise bias. And I'm deranged?
Quite possibly if you don't remember bringing in journeymen like Whetu Douglas to the conversation.
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The recent RWC has shown that there is a need of hard, abrasive forwards. Dalton Papali'i and Luke Jacobson would fill this role perfectly IMO. Questions could be raised about the lock stocks in NZ. Who has this profile ? IWL maybe, I don't see many others.
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We've go huge issues at lock. Retallic on holiday. Whitelock looking like he needs a holiday. Barrett wouldn't start for any of our rivals. Patty T just isn't coming along. Behind that there is zilch.
Front row is a WIP, but our main point of difference in Coles is on the downhill side of his career. The answer at 6 is not found. We don't have an 8 (you could argue we have barely had one for a year, but that would be churlish). Couple of very good but very different 7s is our strength at the moment.
The new coach is going to have to start all over again. It really does feel like 2003 doesn't it?
