NZ All Time XI
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That 94 team is fucken diabolical. The kind you have nightmares about. In what universe does Ken Rutherford bat at 3 !?!?!
Matthew Hart. Christ sake.
....and that opening partnership is hardly Hayden/Langer....
Dion Nash was pretty decent in a poor man's Cairns kind of fashion though....
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@dogmeat said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@rotated typo by me. It's the 94 side I think was crap. 04 definitely had best openers but then again, when the comparison is Young/Pocock and Horne/Bell .....
I agree about Crowe and Nash but the rest of the side was very beige
Bryan Young was a guy I admired as a gritty low order keeper batsman but his record definitely benefited from that massive double ton. Not an opener overall.
As for Pocock he opened against Oz when Matthew Hayden couldn't even make their side.
( shudders )
Wikipedia are pretty rough on the poor bugger too.....
....and he wasn't even the worst opener to ever play for NZ called Blair....
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Twose was a hard bastard. Used to wear about 50 deliveries per game but always soldiered on like a fucking champion.
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@mn5 ah yes the era of the two Blairs
Did they ever open together?Which one was sconned by one of the two W's who destroyed NZ at Hamilton in 93? Herald had a fantastic photo of the Blair's helmet shedding tiny shards of plastic like a Star Wars explosion having been drilled by a bouncer.
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@dogmeat said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@mn5 ah yes the era of the two Blairs
Did they ever open together?Which one was sconned by one of the two W's who destroyed NZ at Hamilton in 93? Herald had a fantastic photo of the Blair's helmet shedding tiny shards of plastic like a Star Wars explosion having been drilled by a bouncer.
I'm fairly sure they did on at least one occasion. Christ on a fucken bike. Numbers three and four would have padded up at the same time as them.....actually given the fact Rutherford was likely number three it'd be a brave number five to even go and have a piss and risk being timed out.....
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I remember listening to Rutherford's debut - opening (I think) against the Windies in the Windies. The poor fuck, no wonder he under achieved in the long run.
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@crazy-horse said in NZ All Time Test XI:
I remember listening to Rutherford's debut - opening (I think) against the Windies in the Windies. The poor fuck, no wonder he under achieved in the long run.
His overall career stats are pretty ugly. I wonder what Sir Paddles thought when he looked at many of the specialist batsmen in his team that he actually averaged more than?
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@crazy-horse said in NZ All Time Test XI:
I remember listening to Rutherford's debut - opening (I think) against the Windies in the Windies. The poor fuck, no wonder he under achieved in the long run.
Lamb thrown to the wolves - that tour was all about revenge for 1979/80 for the Windies - most of the WI players have admitted as such - Pace like fire. Funny thing is, I hold no grudges for that tour - Crowe was just out of this world - but it was definitely the end for the last of the amateurs like Coney etc
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There was another young batter that got selected as well and I don't think we heard much more of him after that. Ron Hart?
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@dogmeat There were high hopes for that 04 team after the SA series that year. Martin had come from nowhere to tear the South Africans up but looked very mediocre along with Tuffey, Vettori had been badly out of form for a while, and our batting was very poorly balanced. Richardson was a star but our middle order let us down big time. Franklin should have been picked from the start but wasn't and came in for the 3rd test and bowled brilliantly.
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@african-monkey said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@dogmeat There were high hopes for that 04 team after the SA series that year. Martin had come from nowhere to tear the South Africans up but looked very mediocre along with Tuffey, Vettori had been badly out of form for a while, and our batting was very poorly balanced. Richardson was a star but our middle order let us down big time. Franklin should have been picked from the start but wasn't and came in for the 3rd test and bowled brilliantly.
What a strange career he had. Started as a left handed Hadlee ( the great man's exact words ) who could hold a bat then transformed into an incredibly average 'batsman' and his bowling pretty much fell of a cliff.
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I've been watching since 87 or so, and Smith is the best technical keeper I've seen from any country in that time. If we want a keeper solely on keeping ability, it's Smith, but if batting is important, any of Parore, McCullum or Watling are better options, and are all excellent keepers in their own right.
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@godder said in NZ All Time Test XI:
I've been watching since 87 or so, and Smith is the best technical keeper I've seen from any country in that time. If we want a keeper solely on keeping ability, it's Smith, but if batting is important, any of Parore, McCullum or Watling are better options, and are all excellent keepers in their own right.
Nope. His stats indicate otherwise. I remember he played as a specialist bat at 3 for awhile too!
Personally I reckon a Sangakara/Flower/Gilly type is far more beneficial to a team cos then you have the option for essentially 7 batsmen if need be.
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@godder said in NZ All Time Test XI:
@mn5 Parore was a better batsman than Smith and a world class keeper, but agreed that McCullum and Watling have shown more with the bat than Parore (such a high bar to clear...).
Smith was an entertaining low order slogger but Parore only averaged 26 in tests. Not worthy of discussion in my opinion.
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Parore was McMillan-lite who kept. Promised a lot but never put it together. Only caught the tail end of smith but from all reports and statistically when it came to actual output he matched Parore.
Wadsworth was supposed to be a gun according to the old man.
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Parore's averages suffer because he was asked to spend time at first drop to accommodate specialist captain Lee Germon. He did flatter to deceive but at #6 in the order he averages 35.
Still as a batsman/keeper he is below Watling and McCullum (although Baz only averages 34 as a keeper).
@rotated Wadsworth died tragically young and your Dad isn't wrong - he was an easy player to like - particularly in the rather conservative 70's.
He was a batsman first and then a keeper but only averaged 21 with the bat.
He started off keeping inconsistently but became much more reliable towards the end of his career.
He wouldn't seem so remarkable today but for the time - he'd come in and smash it around and then get out in some often bizarre way. He'd also pull off some superlative piece of keeping and then let through a bye. But he always seemed involved and looked as though he was having a great time. As I said a breath of fresh air and easy to be a favourite player but not a top drawer keeper
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Wow, I’m genuinely shocked that Martin Guptill who had what I’ve always thought of as a short and unsuccessful test career is sixth !!
or that Conway already in top15
D K Morrison and M C Sneddon also on the list, each with a well compiled 1* to win a Test match together.
Yeah they essentially sent in two nightwatchmen for that one.
There are some serious journeymen on that list though, crikey.
Australia ( off the top of my head ) would have Hayden, Langer, Taylor, Slats, Warner, Lawry etc who it could be argued are all better than anyone we’ve produced.
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