NZ All Time XI
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@Donsteppa said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
I didn't see Turner, but wonder from what I've read if he had the ability to be more aggressive like Slats and Warner.
Absolutely Turner had the ability to score quickly. He started out as a bit of a dasher but modified his technique when he went to County cricket.
He was a bit like a cross between Kane (for his unflappable nature and percentage play) and Hadlee with his focus on statistics and ambition.
He was the first batsman to score 1,000 runs before the end of May since WWII (around 1973) and scored his 100th century in a day - the first time that had been achieved in decades. His last year for Worcester he averaged in the 90's.
Different era's but he is the most talented opener NZ has had in my lifetime. By some way better than Wright and capable of scoring faster too. Although no opener from that era scored at the rate of modern batsmen. Not even Greenidge.
I would have him as one opener and then a toss-up between Wright and Latham.
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@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Australia ( off the top of my head ) would have Hayden, Langer, Taylor, Slats, Warner, Lawry etc who it could be argued are all better than anyone we’ve produced.
For Oz you have Lawry and Simpson back in the early 60's but no one has mentioned NZ's best opening partnership.
Wright / Franklin 1500 odd runs @ 50 compared to Wright / Edgar 1600 @ early 30's
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@dogmeat Stewie Dempster wants to know how much he had to average.
Roy Fredericks...
The Spin | Roy Fredericks aka Kid Cement | Andy Bull
Andy Bull: If I could offer you a free ticket to any day's play in the history of cricket, which would you pick?
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@Chris-B I bowed to the Fern orthodoxy that cricket didn't exist before RJ Hadlee made his debut.
I've mentioned Dempster, Donnelly, Sutcliffe and Cowie many times before but apparently, they don't count.
That Perth text is also apparently what cemented Lloyd's strategy of a four-man pace attack.
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@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
KW is so far and away our best ever batsman it’s not even funny…..
Look, Rossco, Crowe, Turner etc were all fine players but he’s on another level.
Him and Hadlee are the two names on our Mt Rushmore.
Tangent, who actually is our 4th Mt Rushmore after Kane, Hadlee and Crowe? I'm tempted to go with Baz.
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@TeWaio said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
KW is so far and away our best ever batsman it’s not even funny…..
Look, Rossco, Crowe, Turner etc were all fine players but he’s on another level.
Him and Hadlee are the two names on our Mt Rushmore.
Tangent, who actually is our 4th Mt Rushmore after Kane, Hadlee and Crowe? I'm tempted to go with Baz.
Turner. 41 tests with an average of 44, 41 ODIs with an average of 47 at a time when 200 was considered a big score
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@TeWaio said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
KW is so far and away our best ever batsman it’s not even funny…..
Look, Rossco, Crowe, Turner etc were all fine players but he’s on another level.
Him and Hadlee are the two names on our Mt Rushmore.
Tangent, who actually is our 4th Mt Rushmore after Kane, Hadlee and Crowe? I'm tempted to go with Baz.
It’s a level down but you’d have to pick from Rossco, Cairns, Vettori etc. that level of player. Australia would have about 20 at the Mt Rushmore level.
Baz is nowhere near. Not even a shoe in for an all time XI
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@TeWaio said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
KW is so far and away our best ever batsman it’s not even funny…..
Look, Rossco, Crowe, Turner etc were all fine players but he’s on another level.
Him and Hadlee are the two names on our Mt Rushmore.
Tangent, who actually is our 4th Mt Rushmore after Kane, Hadlee and Crowe? I'm tempted to go with Baz.
In my lifetime, the only guy who's not a step down from those three is Shane Bond.
But Teddy Roosevelt is on Mt. Rushmore!
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@Chris-B said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
Shane Bond
simply magnificent, as a bowler, and then as a bowling coach.
Shafted by NZC on the instruction of ICC for playing in the ICL. Injury and politics robbed us of teh chance to see a true talent. Him cleaning up Australia with the fast swinging yorkers lives strongly in my memory
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@TeWaio said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
KW is so far and away our best ever batsman it’s not even funny…..
Look, Rossco, Crowe, Turner etc were all fine players but he’s on another level.
Him and Hadlee are the two names on our Mt Rushmore.
Tangent, who actually is our 4th Mt Rushmore after Kane, Hadlee and Crowe? I'm tempted to go with Baz.
It's a bloody interesting question. What stands out about it all is how obvious those first three names are, but how wide the net could be cast for the fourth.
From names mentioned so far and others... Reid, Sutcliffe, BMac, Turner, Vettori, Bond, Cowie, could all be in the mix for varying reasons, but none quite leap out as far as RJ Hadlee, MD Crowe, or KS Williamson...
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@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@TeWaio said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
KW is so far and away our best ever batsman it’s not even funny…..
Look, Rossco, Crowe, Turner etc were all fine players but he’s on another level.
Him and Hadlee are the two names on our Mt Rushmore.
Tangent, who actually is our 4th Mt Rushmore after Kane, Hadlee and Crowe? I'm tempted to go with Baz.
It’s a level down but you’d have to pick from Rossco, Cairns, Vettori etc. that level of player. Australia would have about 20 at the Mt Rushmore level.
Baz is nowhere near. Not even a shoe in for an all time XI
Cairns? Yeah nah.
Boult definitely in the mix with Taylor and Turner.
Let’s never forget that during the magical run we had a left arm swing bowler putting us into positions to win test matches.
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@Crucial said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
J F Reid worth a look.
Figures not artificially boosted by playing weak sides and an average well in the 50s over 7 tests against PakistanJF or JR?
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@booboo said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crucial said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
J F Reid worth a look.
Figures not artificially boosted by playing weak sides and an average well in the 50s over 7 tests against PakistanJF or JR?
The older guy
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@canefan said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@booboo said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
@Crucial said in Blackcaps v Sri Lanka:
J F Reid worth a look.
Figures not artificially boosted by playing weak sides and an average well in the 50s over 7 tests against PakistanJF or JR?
The older guy
JR
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Didn't realise JF Reid had passed away.
