Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Rossco MOM.....
Personally I think Nicholls deserved it. Unbeaten and a much better strike rate.
Rosco came to the crease in the 5th over. He was a large part of the rebuilding stage. That explains the strike rate.
The weird thing about this series is that Boult and Southee were both anonymous.. Sodhi the pick of the bowlers, and Lockie is probably now the clear favourite for the 3rd seamer role.
Sodhi is unlucky in that although he was the best of the lot, he will make way for Santner when he's back. -
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Is it just me or does Taylor not get the love and admiration he deserves ? His record now in international cricket is outstanding but he seems to live in KWs shadow still ?
It's really weird. He's one of the best batters we have ever produced, but just doesn't get the plaudits. I don't really know why either - it seemed when he got kneecapped in the captaincy debacle that people really flocked around to vocally (and visibly) support him.
His record is insane for a kiwi, and yet his running between the wickets and judgment on runs is just so average. Live it's even worse. And here I am critiquing him after he won us the game today and is in the top 10 in the world.
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@nzzp said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Is it just me or does Taylor not get the love and admiration he deserves ? His record now in international cricket is outstanding but he seems to live in KWs shadow still ?
It's really weird. He's one of the best batters we have ever produced, but just doesn't get the plaudits. I don't really know why either - it seemed when he got kneecapped in the captaincy debacle that people really flocked around to vocally (and visibly) support him.
His record is insane for a kiwi, and yet his running between the wickets and judgment on runs is just so average. Live it's even worse. And here I am critiquing him after he won us the game today and is in the top 10 in the world.
Tup 12 all time in number of ODI 100s and given we don't play nearly as many as some countries that's impressive especially if you take out Tendulkar...20 ODI centuries is all time great at ODI.
What makes it even more apparent is not that his average since the beginning of 2018 is 90+ but that his average since the end of the 2015 CWC is 65+, only one person in that time is higher - Kohli
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@mimic said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Rossco MOM.....
Personally I think Nicholls deserved it. Unbeaten and a much better strike rate.
Rosco came to the crease in the 5th over. He was a large part of the rebuilding stage. That explains the strike rate.
The weird thing about this series is that Boult and Southee were both anonymous.. Sodhi the pick of the bowlers, and Lockie is probably now the clear favourite for the 3rd seamer role.
Sodhi is unlucky in that although he was the best of the lot, he will make way for Santner when he's back.Yeah I guess you're right but the way our top order has performed a big score was always likely.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Mokey said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 Yeah, even when we weren't up to much batting or bowling wise, we were always a top notch fielding outfit. Saving runs, getting run outs, taking the catches. I kinda hate seeing the dropsies, cos some of them were really not tough chances.
Also...I'm not sure Seifert is the answer behind the stumps. Compared to Watling, he is pretty average.
The Marshall twins and Lou Vincent were sensational in particular.
.....which was handy as they weren't much chop at the top order and the latter was a dirty cheating shitcunt.
And Harris, arguably NZ's best ever fielder (Mark Greatbatch was also awesome, especially for a guy his size). We've also been blessed with some absolutely top class keepers and slip fielders over the decades (Coney, both Crowes and Wright were world class slips, Hadlee was a good gully specialist, and Smith was an excellent keeper, and later it was Fleming and Astle in the slips carrying the torch).
Taylor seems to be getting a bit of recognition currently, with Cricinfo, the various NZ news sites and us all giving him major plaudits. Kane might catch up, but otherwise Rosscoe is NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will soon pass Fleming for most runs (less than 300 to go), and people are finally cottoning onto that. http://www.espncricinfo.com/team/_/id/5/new-zealand/ - that's Cricinfo's NZ page, and while the top 3 test batsmen in the past 12 months have very similar runs (Latham 658, Nicholls 658, Kane 651 all in 12 innings), Rosscoe is miles ahead of the rest in ODIs in the past 12 months (Rosscoe 908/ 12 innings, Guptill 528/ 12 innings, Kane 485/ 13 innings).
Other fun stats - Rosscoe has made 50 or more 65 times in his 195 ODI innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 3. Only Kane is higher (46 in 126 innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 2.74 innings), and batting at 3 makes it a little easier than 4. Also, Rosscoe's average at 4 is 52.28 (Kane's is 49.6 at 3)
All in all, lots of room for some man love...
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@Godder said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Mokey said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 Yeah, even when we weren't up to much batting or bowling wise, we were always a top notch fielding outfit. Saving runs, getting run outs, taking the catches. I kinda hate seeing the dropsies, cos some of them were really not tough chances.
Also...I'm not sure Seifert is the answer behind the stumps. Compared to Watling, he is pretty average.
The Marshall twins and Lou Vincent were sensational in particular.
.....which was handy as they weren't much chop at the top order and the latter was a dirty cheating shitcunt.
And Harris, arguably NZ's best ever fielder (Mark Greatbatch was also awesome, especially for a guy his size). We've also been blessed with some absolutely top class keepers and slip fielders over the decades (Coney, both Crowes and Wright were world class slips, Hadlee was a good gully specialist, and Smith was an excellent keeper, and later it was Fleming and Astle in the slips carrying the torch).
Taylor seems to be getting a bit of recognition currently, with Cricinfo, the various NZ news sites and us all giving him major plaudits. Kane might catch up, but otherwise Rosscoe is NZ's greatest ODI batsman, will soon pass Fleming for most runs (less than 300 to go), and people are finally cottoning onto that. http://www.espncricinfo.com/team/_/id/5/new-zealand/ - that's Cricinfo's NZ page, and while the top 3 test batsmen in the past 12 months have very similar runs (Latham 658, Nicholls 658, Kane 651 all in 12 innings), Rosscoe is miles ahead of the rest in ODIs in the past 12 months (Rosscoe 908/ 12 innings, Guptill 528/ 12 innings, Kane 485/ 13 innings).
Other fun stats - Rosscoe has made 50 or more 65 times in his 195 ODI innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 3. Only Kane is higher (46 in 126 innings for a conversion rate of 1 in 2.74 innings), and batting at 3 makes it a little easier than 4. Also, Rosscoe's average at 4 is 52.28 (Kane's is 49.6 at 3)
All in all, lots of room for some man love...
Everyone loves KW and rightfully so but I guess people either don't realise or acknowledge that in Taylor we have someone extremely close to him.
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@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
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@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
He's an automatic pick in both main formats in an all time NZ XI. Simple as that. Not a huge number who can claim that.
Given he bats #4 in tests - unless I pick either him or Marty out of position, I have to leave one of them out, but I can't do that so I would have Marty at #4 and Roscoe at #5. in ODIs, I actualy think Roscoe is the superior batsman, something I never thought I would say...but his late career surge is so impressive and he owns the best ever ODI innings by a NZer - having taken the time to watch that game in full a couple of times - that 181*, once you take into account match situation, personal travails and the quality of the opposition - just sublime.
Are you seriously suggesting you leave one of them out just cos they both batted four?
It's not Rugby ( and even then there's heaps of examples of guys moving to accomodate others ) but the thought of you even contemplating leaving one of them out and have Astle, McMillan, Coney or whoever there instead just makes me mad. MAD it does!
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@SynicBast said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
Except in our greatest victory since 1985, the recent UAE series, Taylor was a disgrace with the bat
0, 22 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 3 Dec 2018 Test # 2332
0, 82 New Zealand v Pakistan Dubai (DSC) 24 Nov 2018 Test # 2330
2, 19 New Zealand v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 16 Nov 2018 Test # 2327Disgrace is way too emotive and hyperbolic a term - he had a very poor series but he was not a disgrace. Disgrace should be something reserved for Cheating or bringing the game into disrepute.
By your standard, KW was an even worse disgrace during the ODI series in UAE, wasting balls in his only innings above 20.
27 - 38 2 0 71.05 3 caught 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 7 Nov 2018 ODI # 4066
1 - 3 0 0 33.33 3 run out 1 v Pakistan Abu Dhabi 9 Nov 2018 ODI # 4068Seriously one series and you're willing to label him a disgrace? By that standard, all NZ players have been a disgrace.
Agree. Absolutely ridiculous. Anyone who gets a duck, and even the very best do, is therefore a 'disgrace' too.
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@SynicBast tests, not odi, I said victory in UAE
He fell to Shah the same way twice in 3 balls and his last innings when we needed something solid he wogged for 14 balls in an innings and dismissal that would have been deemed pathetic in t20.
As arguably NZs finest batsman, he simply phoned it in all series. Nicholls showed far more application, lucky for us.Wouldn't be surprised to learn that his detached performance in UAE reset his attitude for our home summer.
In the context of the series his last innings was a disgrace, and listing scores does not tell the story of what he played like.What did you think of his last innings? After he faced 12 balls what was your assessment of his innings that he was playing? Or are you making an opinion of innings you didn't watch?
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@SynicBast tests, not odi, I said victory in UAE
He fell to Shah the same way twice in 3 balls and his last innings when we needed something solid he wogged for 14 balls in an innings and dismissal that would have been deemed pathetic in t20.
As arguably NZs finest batsman, he simply phoned it in all series. Nicholls showed far more application, lucky for us.Wouldn't be surprised to learn that his detached performance in UAE reset his attitude for our home summer.
In the context of the series his last innings was a disgrace, and listing scores does not override what he played likeIs the point you're trying to make is that he could be even better?
I do get that cricket stats can be misleading, after all Brian Lara got fuck all not outs compared to most of his contemporaries so suffered somewhat there.....But if you analyse every player you'll find lulls in performance at some stage.
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@Siam said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@MN5 watching him over there he displayed all the batting nous of CDG. His last innings was a disgrace to all that he is and all that he's achieved.
I suspect his eventual book will mention it, such the outlier it was
Fuck I didn't realise BC fans were now AB Fans.
CDGH has been a decent test all rounder for the Caps thanks very much.
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@Siam to me it looked like he was struggling for form and was trying to play aggressive cricket to get back into form. I agree it looked bad, and was a culmination of his series to date. That sort of innings is an exception though, I couldn't count the number of times he's bailed us out of a hole in the past which is why some people think the word "disgrace" is a bit strong.
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@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
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@Chris-B said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
@No-Quarter said in Cricket - NZ vs Sri Lanka:
One final T20 in Auckland to go, because apparently the biggest city in NZ should just get the odd shits & giggles match and nothing much else.
You should petition Jacinderella to start issuing large oval postage stamps - then you could play cricket on one of those instead of the tiny mis-shapen one you currently use!
It's an absolute embarrassment that Auckland doesn't have a suitable international cricket ground.
