Boxing Thread
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@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
Boxing fitness is a funny thing, at the start of the fight, I wouldn't have pegged Fury as the one with better endurance, I guess getting the shit knocked out of one's face does affect stamina somewhat..
Fury is somehow simultaneously humble and arrogant at the same time. He thanks God, pays tribute to Wilder but then mentions how he took the punches of the hardest hitting heavyweight in history ( off the top of my head I think Liston, Foreman, Marciano, Shavers and Baer hit harder but still ).
I’m also not sure how Wilders career is supposedly over ? Sure he’s lost but he fought amazingly well in the trilogy. I still think guys will continue to duck him because of the danger he poses.
I reckon he would demolish Joshua for starters and Usyk may have the skills but not the power. JP wouldn't get past him.
Wilders biggest problem will be finding someone to fight. Whyte may be arrogant enough.
Wilder is also a decent boxer for someone who “cannot box”. I think that’s a bit of a myth. His freaky power is great fun too. Uncanny ability to hit like he does.
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@kiwiinmelb Yeah would be a big selling fight, as well as an easy nights work for Fury.
Whyte is no better than Dereck Chisora, even if Eddie Hearn tries to tell people otherwise.
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@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
Boxing fitness is a funny thing, at the start of the fight, I wouldn't have pegged Fury as the one with better endurance, I guess getting the shit knocked out of one's face does affect stamina somewhat..
Fury is somehow simultaneously humble and arrogant at the same time. He thanks God, pays tribute to Wilder but then mentions how he took the punches of the hardest hitting heavyweight in history ( off the top of my head I think Liston, Foreman, Marciano, Shavers and Baer hit harder but still ).
I’m also not sure how Wilders career is supposedly over ? Sure he’s lost but he fought amazingly well in the trilogy. I still think guys will continue to duck him because of the danger he poses.
I reckon he would demolish Joshua for starters and Usyk may have the skills but not the power.JP wouldn't get past him.
Wilders biggest problem will be finding someone to fight. Whyte may be arrogant enough.
Wilder is also a decent boxer for someone who “cannot box”. I think that’s a bit of a myth. His freaky power is great fun too. Uncanny ability to hit like he does.
A big part of what makes him so dangerous is his ability to close the distance quickly , just when you think you are safe he comes from a long way back in a flash with that right hand following through like it’s fired out of a cannon , it is a bit unique, in the lighter divisions tommy the hitman hearns with a similar slim tall athletic build punched with a similar style
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@crucial said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
Boxing fitness is a funny thing, at the start of the fight, I wouldn't have pegged Fury as the one with better endurance, I guess getting the shit knocked out of one's face does affect stamina somewhat..
Fury is somehow simultaneously humble and arrogant at the same time. He thanks God, pays tribute to Wilder but then mentions how he took the punches of the hardest hitting heavyweight in history ( off the top of my head I think Liston, Foreman, Marciano, Shavers and Baer hit harder but still ).
I’m also not sure how Wilders career is supposedly over ? Sure he’s lost but he fought amazingly well in the trilogy. I still think guys will continue to duck him because of the danger he poses.
I reckon he would demolish Joshua for starters and Usyk may have the skills but not the power.JP wouldn't get past him.
Wilders biggest problem will be finding someone to fight. Whyte may be arrogant enough.
Wilder is also a decent boxer for someone who “cannot box”. I think that’s a bit of a myth. His freaky power is great fun too. Uncanny ability to hit like he does.
A big part of what makes him so dangerous is his ability to close the distance quickly , just when you think you are safe he comes from a long way back in a flash with that right hand following through like it’s fired out of a cannon , it is a bit unique, in the lighter divisions tommy the hitman hearns with a similar slim tall athletic build punched with a similar style
Indeed, a very different kid of power to the likes of Frazier, Tyson or our own David Tua who relied on shuffling in close. As has been said ( at times unfairly ) Wilder would be better if he were a better boxer.
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Interesting. I wonder what I would have thought had I actually managed to watch the correct fight the other day.
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@mn5 I thought Wilder looked fucked after one of his knock downs, eyes looked a million miles away...I thought Fury looked fucked on that count too, so yeah...
Guess it depends which camp you were in as to who got the rough deal?
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@taniwharugby said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 I thought Wilder looked fucked after one of his knock downs, eyes looked a million miles away...I thought Fury looked fucked on that count too, so yeah...
Guess it depends which camp you were in as to who got the rough deal?
Definitely. As I said earlier whoever won this I’d be happy for but whoever lost I’d be disappointed for. I wasn’t massively favouring one over the other as I’m a big fan of both of them.
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@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
Interesting. I wonder what I would have thought had I actually managed to watch the correct fight the other day.
It was a slow count but that was because Wilder is supposed to go straight to his corner during a countdown .. if my understanding is correct ... so yeah if true Wilder is a muppet. On the other hand Fury looked to me like he could recover in a normal countdown.
It must be frustrating being a Wilder fan, so much talent, so unpredictable, but loses concentration, happy to go for power over accuracy and tire himself out and then simply forgets to defend himself. I wonder how old he was hen he learnt how to box because he should be able to defend better than that at that level.
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@nostrildamus said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 said in Boxing Thread:
Interesting. I wonder what I would have thought had I actually managed to watch the correct fight the other day.
It was a slow count but that was because Wilder is supposed to go straight to his corner during a countdown .. if my understanding is correct ... so yeah if true Wilder is a muppet. On the other hand Fury looked to me like he could recover in a normal countdown.
It must be frustrating being a Wilder fan, so much talent, so unpredictable, but loses concentration, happy to go for power over accuracy and tire himself out and then simply forgets to defend himself. I wonder how old he was hen he learnt how to box because he should be able to defend better than that at that level.
yeah a bit of click bait there by stuff ,
the ref stopped the count to instruct wilder to go to the neutral corner , then resumed , that is the law ," The referee shall begin his count when the boxer is down or is helpless on the ropes and after the opponent is in a neutral corner. The referee may stop the counting if the opponent fails to go to the neutral corner, and resume the count where he left off when the opponent returns to the neutral corner."
So fury was fortunate to get a longer count but there was nohing dodgy , but if you watch Fury on both occasions , he is fully conscious with eyes on the ref listening to the count to time when he gets back up anyway
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@mn5 he has the ability to “box” but he goes too easily if track. He had the plan and it was ducking fury up. No way was Tyson expecting an all out body attack. The problem though was when wilder kept doing it. Fury worked it out and the jabs to the body stopped. Wilder needed to go body jab and then hook to the body to keep fury guessing. Then to the head.
Great fight though. Made up for the AJ Usyk, one sided affair. Made up for about 20 years of heavyweight misery actually. The first one a goodie. The 2nd was a lesson in boxing by a very big man on a fairly one dimensional power hitter. The 3rd was an all time classic. You only get that when both fighters “bring it” and for wilders part, he brought the heart.
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@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 he has the ability to “box” but he goes too easily if track. He had the plan and it was ducking fury up. No way was Tyson expecting an all out body attack. The problem though was when wilder kept doing it. Fury worked it out and the jabs to the body stopped. Wilder needed to go body jab and then hook to the body to keep fury guessing. Then to the head.
Great fight though. Made up for the AJ Usyk, one sided affair. Made up for about 20 years of heavyweight misery actually. The first one a goodie. The 2nd was a lesson in boxing by a very big man on a fairly one dimensional power hitter. The 3rd was an all time classic. You only get that when both fighters “bring it” and for wilders part, he brought the heart.
I guess the big problem for wilder ,all the new fresh ideas were good in theory , but once fatigue set in and he had been hit significantly , and the mind became foggy ,
he reverted back to his old ways once he started to fight on instinct , the further the fight went on , the more it started to resemble the second fight
old dogs new tricks
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Deontay Wilder's vaunted right hand -- the most dangerous weapon in boxing -- produced two fourth-round knockdowns of Tyson Fury in their all-time great heavyweight title fight Saturday, but the hand was far from 100% during the second half of the bout.
Wilder's co-manager, Shelly Finkel, told ESPN on Thursday that the former heavyweight champion suffered a broken right hand "somewhere around Round 6" of the 11th-round KO loss to Fury in Las Vegas.
Wilder will have surgery Monday in Atlanta to repair one of the middle metacarpals, and according to Finkel, won't be able to train for approximately 3½ months.
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@kiwiinmelb said in Boxing Thread:
@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 he has the ability to “box” but he goes too easily if track. He had the plan and it was ducking fury up. No way was Tyson expecting an all out body attack. The problem though was when wilder kept doing it. Fury worked it out and the jabs to the body stopped. Wilder needed to go body jab and then hook to the body to keep fury guessing. Then to the head.
Great fight though. Made up for the AJ Usyk, one sided affair. Made up for about 20 years of heavyweight misery actually. The first one a goodie. The 2nd was a lesson in boxing by a very big man on a fairly one dimensional power hitter. The 3rd was an all time classic. You only get that when both fighters “bring it” and for wilders part, he brought the heart.
I guess the big problem for wilder ,all the new fresh ideas were good in theory , but once fatigue set in and he had been hit significantly , and the mind became foggy ,
he reverted back to his old ways once he started to fight on instinct , the further the fight went on , the more it started to resemble the second fight
old dogs new tricks
Everyone has a plan until they get punched in the face.
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@raznomore said in Boxing Thread:
@mn5 he has the ability to “box” but he goes too easily if track. He had the plan and it was ducking fury up. No way was Tyson expecting an all out body attack. The problem though was when wilder kept doing it. Fury worked it out and the jabs to the body stopped. Wilder needed to go body jab and then hook to the body to keep fury guessing. Then to the head.
Great fight though. Made up for the AJ Usyk, one sided affair. Made up for about 20 years of heavyweight misery actually. The first one a goodie. The 2nd was a lesson in boxing by a very big man on a fairly one dimensional power hitter. The 3rd was an all time classic. You only get that when both fighters “bring it” and for wilders part, he brought the heart.
Posts like this are why we miss you on here.
I hope both these guys continue to fight for a long time.
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@bovidae said in Boxing Thread:
Deontay Wilder's vaunted right hand -- the most dangerous weapon in boxing -- produced two fourth-round knockdowns of Tyson Fury in their all-time great heavyweight title fight Saturday, but the hand was far from 100% during the second half of the bout.
Wilder's co-manager, Shelly Finkel, told ESPN on Thursday that the former heavyweight champion suffered a broken right hand "somewhere around Round 6" of the 11th-round KO loss to Fury in Las Vegas.
Wilder will have surgery Monday in Atlanta to repair one of the middle metacarpals, and according to Finkel, won't be able to train for approximately 3½ months.
I wonder which part of Tyson broke the hand. Tough guy!
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Right at the bottom of a nothing article about AJ potentially changing trainers was...
In other heavyweight news, Britain’s Dillian Whyte has had to pull out of his scheduled fight with Sweden’s Otto Wallin in London on October 30.
Whyte suffered a shoulder injury at his training camp in Portugal.
